Oh

Well it got your attention :o)

Interesting law, what constitutes concent? if you are both drunk can you get real consent?

Does silent mean concent? Not saying no isn't necessarily saying yes, but I don't think I've ever actually been ask "Do you wanna have sex?"

i tkinda ruins the mood to say ' oh by the way do you wanna have sex?'

mmmmm a good idea to make sure....never mind spoiling the mood.

yes i know that.

its always best to make sure, and if your unsure dont do it or ask!





i was hoping you wouldnt come in to this converstation!

:-0 oh dear.........

its ok just a bit odd saying those things with you watching and all that!

we have all been in the same situation....hey I'm not 'watching' anything... that does sound a bit pervy......

i wasnt meaning like that. yes we have all been there or there abouts but you still dont want to talk about it with your mum!

i cant say ive ever asked, does that mean i also have to ask my hand, or am i raping my own hand, but by me saying yes to myslef constituted an agreement!! bah


hey. lets have sex,

I think it's just making the law a bit clearer, to be honest, if a judge can direct a jury to chuck out a rape case because the girl was unconsious and therefore couldn't quite remember what had happened, we do need to take things like this a bit seriously.

Was going to put a link to the story here but cant find it. bah.

(sorry to come down all school teacher-ish !)

I think it will work but it still seems a touch vague at the moment. If a drunk couple has sex who has responsibility?

I was being serious earlier.

I jsut realised also that the ad has a woman in it. Yes I know it's in a gents toilet, but I bet there isn't a version with a guy on it and it's jsut as possible for a female to rape as it is for a guy.

Under this definition yes

- Would you like to have sex?
- Yes!
- Ok, if I can just get you to sign here... and here please...

Gosh that's a tiny pen....

err.. it's really cold ya know... and.. err... low temperature and all that...

i think they are trying to make the definition clearer for the masses, and yes in this definition a man can be raped by a woman! but if it went to court with a man claiming a woman raped a man it would get laughed out of the court house!

This would disagree

And that is a bad myth to perpetuate

Has been done

ah you are quite right there steve.

this whole concent thing is a good thing but it is a hard thing to make sure you have it, in the instance you mentioned if two drunk people have sex who has the responsibilitys for concent

I'm not sure if it has been properly defined, or at least it's not be defined here in the poster. I don't think that it is getting the message across properly

no this poster isnt really a very good one. its just saying what should be common knowlage actually, but there is a large ad campaign that they are bringing in soon to combat the unconcenting sex/rape thing and i think this may be where they are starting it, i think there may be tv adverts out now.

its actually quite a hard thing to define and they need to make it clear to the public, that is if the law has it officialy defined

I agree that it's not a perfect poster and that it's saying 'what should be common knowledge actually' but I'm not so certain that it *is* common knowledge for everyone. Maybe that's just my prejudice from remembering the attitude a lot of boys I went to school with had in regards to sex.

They just need to do a better poster, and yes, one that acknowledges male rape as well.

I think the poster starts a good debate but just lacks the info to back it up. It needs people of both sexes to take responsibility and be aware of their actions.

i think it might be a good start but they need to follow it up wit some substancial information on this subject.

They are continuing with the campaign..
http://moblog.co.uk/view.php?id=155953

Hm - a woman can easily sexually assault a man - rape is a more difficult offence unless the penetrating party is the woman.
As we all know that fear & humiliation will often lead to retreat & silence, the notion of asking "are you sure about this?" & not proceeding without an affirmative seems quite straight forward.
The majority of people looking at those posters will have a reading age below 15. A direct and unambiguous message seems sensible. Let's not get precious about the nuances of consent until after we've got everyone onside on the idea that consent is essential.
Ever since Loaded re-cast the sexual objectification of women as "just a bit of a laugh" & entertainment for "gentlemen" was re-cast as pole dancing, it has become harder & harder to get successful rape prosecutions. An Amnesty survey recently showed that around 50% of UK citizens thought it was possible for a woman to be "asking" to be raped. Don't know about anyone else, but I had the feeling of living in a profoundly retrograde society when I read that...

when i found out %50 thought women were asking to be raped it appaled me !