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There's a new place opened "Revolution" in Zevenaar.
Their website's crap but the toilets are Ace!
Like a cross between "Gaudi meets Alice in wonderland" with a touch of
"Papal Vaticanism" and flamenco guitarists.
6th Jan 2007, 19:17   | tags:,,

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Dhamaka says:

err.....

very.... errr..... Dutch?

6th Jan 2007, 19:18

Joe says:

complete with headrests for those "I've had too much to drink to stand up" moments :)

6th Jan 2007, 19:41

DocD says:

Okay this could make me well reluctant to get my todger out in dis establishment

6th Jan 2007, 19:42

OJ says:

Urgh. That's obscene...just imagine the thought process that went into these. Hmm, now where would I really like to piss?

6th Jan 2007, 19:58

Boet says:

Blrp!

6th Jan 2007, 20:11

beth says:

oj - i had similiar thoughts.

-gnash-

6th Jan 2007, 22:03

beth says:

-realises similarity to own avatar and squirms-

6th Jan 2007, 22:04

hildegard says:

Glad you said it OJ - these make me feel very unhappy...
(Edit) To be plain - these make me unhappy, not Joker - fair play to him for letting us know what's going on behind the gents' door. ;)

6th Jan 2007, 22:41

jesson says:

They're just obscene and an offence to women- do men really need to demean themselves to be portrayed as needing a blow job every time they pee?

6th Jan 2007, 23:22

Caine says:

Oh my. Very vivid, aren't they? Makes wonder what's in the women's lav. ;D

7th Jan 2007, 00:53

kostika says:

I don't think it's demeaning, just disturbing. How very odd. (yet kinda kool in weird sort of way at the same time)

7th Jan 2007, 01:55

hildegard says:

Dunno K - there's too much degradation porn around for me to be entirely comfy with these...

7th Jan 2007, 03:07

kostika says:

We're gonna have to agree to disagree. I don't think porn is degrading to women either. I jsut think these things are an odd bit of art with a touch of disturbing taste on their choice of toilets. But I don't think they're degrading.

7th Jan 2007, 03:45

goode says:

saying these are offensive is taking political correctness too far!

Like K said it's a bit of weird art, quit pop arty actually... Perhaps when you think about them though they are a bit disturbing but FAR from degrading to women....

I too don;t think porn is degrading to women! Think of the money these girls make, they clearly are exploiting the men in this world!

7th Jan 2007, 04:22

Caine says:

I agree with Kostika as well. Actually, I think they are rather funny and certainly creative. Of course, my being an artist with a warped sense of humour probably comes into play here.

7th Jan 2007, 06:43

JokerXL says:

I must say I was "taken aback" when I first went in there, not shocked just surprised, amused.
Then I thought, well good on 'em for doing something way-out there.
I don't see it as "porn" in any way, like one of them beer mugs in the shape of a breast, just a bit of fun.
The door to the ladies is airbrushed with a lifesize "Maria" and the gent's with "Jesus", the wall around the doors is covered with all kinds of crucifix's. Is that offensive too? Or is it "Art"?

7th Jan 2007, 09:48

hildegard says:

Re the urinals, I was talking specifically about the degradation end of the industry (the largest growth sector in recent years, at least in the hetero market). The fittings did make me think of that market, as well as the Rolling Stones logo, Monroe, Marcel Duchamps & other inoffensive stuff.
I was saying that it was that, er, whiff of degradation that was making me uncomfortable...

Your other question - glad you put "Art" in inverted commas. Best place for it when it's so disputed. ;)
I'd plump for it being kitsch, but that's because I'm a reflexively post-Reformation sort & see the fetishisation of religious symbols as magical thinking & thus Something To Be Avoided.
;)

7th Jan 2007, 10:34

JokerXL says:

"Kitsch" is exactly what the whole place is; Wonderfully Kitsch!
Plastic chandeliers, Gaudi mosaics round the DJ's station, Overstuffed red sofa's, Huge gilt "Queen Anne" chairs. Che Guevara posters.
I'll have to get some more pictures of the place.

7th Jan 2007, 10:42

Twiglet says:

Joker: In the interests of equality, next time you are there ask Cola to blog the female toilets. : ) : ) : )

7th Jan 2007, 11:03

JokerXL says:

The ladies, apparently, are much less "provoking".
Toilet seats with deep red background and little crosses and gems embedded into the plastic (the way they do with barbed-wire or drawing pins)
I'll try and get in there with my camera this afternoon.
Er, perhaps not, eh?

7th Jan 2007, 11:13

OJ says:

Hmm, I hesitated to use the word "obscene" because it brings up so many issues. To me the definition of obscenity is all about the enforcement of it, so the word "degrading" is probably better.

Yes, it's pop art, but then pop art was frequently degrading to women. Yesterday when I saw this I was racking my brains to think of the name of the artist who made the footstool whichis the bent over figure of a woman in fetish gear. It's still eluding me....

I have one word to say to the notion that pornography is not degrading to women, and unfortunately that word is "bollocks". Goode's arguments, are the exact same ones that I keep hearing to justify a whole spectrum of women's work in the sex trade from porn, to lapdancing to prostitution and they totally fail to recognise power relationships or economic need.

7th Jan 2007, 12:50

Sprocket says:

erm . . . I think I would have to nip next door to pee, it's quite disturbing.

7th Jan 2007, 13:16

hildegard says:

Yeah, since OJ's started it, I used to work for a pronographer & Goode's way off base.

(Edit) Hm, that needs a bit of explanation - had no idea of the company's sister business when I took up my non-pron-related job. Found out pretty quick,
Found out a whole bunch of other stuff that put paid to my Feminists Against Censorship position & I went back to being a drugs worker. Different city, different people, a lot of the same stories, almost no happy endings...

7th Jan 2007, 13:55

kostika says:

Not going to argue this on Joker's post.

I disagree. Porn isn't degrading to women. And these toilets aren't degrading to them either. Hell those could easily be Mick Jagger's lips.

7th Jan 2007, 15:19

seaneeboy says:

It's the teeth that fream *me* out...

7th Jan 2007, 15:41

JokerXL says:

It's a design called Kisses by Meike van Schijndel

7th Jan 2007, 16:14

kostika says:

hehehehehe...the artist is a woman.

7th Jan 2007, 21:01

OJ says:

"hehehehehe...the artist is a woman."

So? That doesn't have any bearing on whether an image is degrading or not and also doesn't have any bearing on my original comment. (scroll back up)

Shall I read your glee at this fact as some sort of so-called "post-feminist" statement.

8th Jan 2007, 11:19

hildegard says:

I recall that the first cover of Spare Rib magazine after Thatcher's election was "She's No SIster of Ours"...
And false consciousness just never seems to go away, eh OJ? ;)

8th Jan 2007, 12:05

kostika says:

Naw I jsut thought it was funny the artist was a woman considering all the controversy over the toilets. (refering to the link Joker posted. Not our conversation here since I already said I wasn't going to argue with you here and am thus past that)

8th Jan 2007, 12:58

hildegard says:

You won't discuss but you're happy to assert?

8th Jan 2007, 13:00

kostika says:

I said we should agree to disagree. We've both stated our opinions and that's that.

8th Jan 2007, 16:59

The part of culture that's demeaning to women is the attempt to convince them that their best choice for employment is to sculpt themselves in ways that aren't even vaguely healthy and exhibit themselves in sexual ways or as objects for amusement to men in exchange for an allowance, regardless of their other talents and potentials.

To the extent that these urinals encourage certain men (to continue) to think that women's mouths are best used for urinals, then they are demeaning. To the extent that these urinals point out which men are louts by encouraging them to voice this opinion when they come out of the loo so we can punch them silly and take their beer money, then they are a tool for the improvement of society.

To the extent that some people find micturation to be some kind of a an erotic game, these urinals have a different meaning entirely that I'm not entirely in a position to understand, so I will withold comment.

To everyone else, they are thought- (and discussion-) provoking, which is, I am positive, the original aim (so to speak) of the artist.

Frankly, I think there should be other orifices and body parts represented. Like an ear, perhaps. And a cupped hand. And, speaking of orifices, probably a television as well.

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8th Jan 2007, 17:27

JokerXL says:

I was going to chip-in with stuff about how entomologists should stand against the fly that's sometimes printed onto white porcelain urinals (something to aim at) and how that might be considered demeaning to insects, but I think Laszlo has covered most points very eloquently.
So I'll keep my facetious remarks to my self.

9th Jan 2007, 08:47

paddington says:

All very intellectual. But anything that brightens up a boring old time wasting pee must be good.

9th Jan 2007, 12:54

goode says:

i agree paddington! And since when has having a pee been degrading?

9th Jan 2007, 23:15

Viv says:

I don't like them but if the whole place is very kitsh then I can see how they fit! Not worth falling out over but very vulgar!

10th Jan 2007, 18:44

Spiderbaby says:

Joker - I heard somewhere that the 'fly' sometimes printed/painted in urinals is a bee. The latin genus being 'Apis', as a kind of entemologist's joke (apiss/a piss). Oh how they laughed. I blame the Victorians :)

These certainly are quite provoking examples!

10th Jan 2007, 23:49

lauren(lauren_robotham-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

lol it is so funny pic

13th Jan 2007, 16:42

Joe says:

fantastic contribution to the discussion there lauren.

great thread, I got 2/3rds of the way through a fairly wordy contribution, and then decided I couldn't really add anything, but I will say, that once again, the moblog community produces some very entertaining, thought provoking, and rational debate.

good stuff, this is what keeps me coming back here.

13th Jan 2007, 17:18

i don't want to get into the debate, but i'm gonna chime in and say that i really don't like these, for numerous, and fairly boring, reasons

13th Jan 2007, 17:24