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so, anyone know of any japanese spitz puppies for sale? anyone got any reasons why I shouldn't get a japanese spitz?

My criteria for a dog are: high intelligence; doggy-ness*; small enough that on days when my rsi is really bad, it won't suffer from only getting a short walk; friendly and fun; easy to train; not stronger than me (which doesn't take much - even a labrador could hurt me these days). If I didn't have a load of things I need satisfying 'cos if my physical condition, I'd have huskies or malamutes or samoyeds or akitas or something like that. I like nordic dogs, can you tell? :)

The irony there being that if I wasn't so injured, I'd probably still be doing 9-5 and wouldn't be able to have a dog at all due to being out all day. I don't mind spending a bit of money on a pedigree puppy, I've been saving for just that for a while now.


* prick ears, fox/wolf-shape, general lack of freaky bred-in mutations that lead to congenital health problems.



[ photo from Wikipedia, public domain license. Shows a four year old Nihon Supittsu bitch called Stitchy ]
27th Mar 2007, 12:52   | tags:,,

Salome NLI says:

PUPPY!!! PUPPY!

27th Mar 2007, 13:13

Salome NLI says:

Are they always white? Or do you get other colours? Hildegarde will know...

27th Mar 2007, 13:19

mat says:

Always pure white, japanese spitzes.

Apparently they groom themselves, like cats! How cool is that.

27th Mar 2007, 13:41

silar31 says:

She's a lovely dog. My only concern Mat is that coat - yes, they are very clean dogs and they do groom themselves somewhat but they still need to brushed often - and when they blow coat in the spring, that is at least once a day. Could this impact your RSI?

Have you looked at theFinnish spitz at all? Similar size and temper, far less coat but still an obviously Nordic breed. Also, don't completely give up on the idea of a larger breed - if a reputable breeder say had an adult, 3 or 4 years old, who is retiring from the show ring you could get a lovely dog who is already trained to walk nicely on lead.

27th Mar 2007, 15:00

hildegard says:

Eh? Why me? Don't let 3 pages of Crufts deceive you - strictly an end-user, me...
Here's two penn'orth anyways...
If you're not in a rush, why not go to Discover Dogs at Earls Court in Nov? You can meet breeders - there are passing few - meet some dogs, talk to trainers, blah...

There's a slight predisposition to patellar luxation in Japanese Spitzes, which you probably know already, but that's about it. Like Samoyeds or Persian cats, they seem a bit prone to gloopy eyes & can get staining of the fur but it's not serious. They do groom themselves but you'll either have to help or wear white all the time. :)

However, given the criteria, in your place I'd seriously consider adopting an adult mongrel from a shelter & working with their socialiser/ behaviourist to help the dog adapt to your circumstances. Any puppy, of any breed, will need daily work & would go through a period where they may very well injure you. Starting with a dog who understands basic principles could be far better for your health.

Mongrels tend to have fewer health problems & there's no shortage of bright dogs, keen to bond with an owner & it's that bond that determines behaviour.

You could also consider contacting the Cinnamon Trust, a charity who organise care for the pets of elderly or terminally ill people. When their owners are no longer able to care for them, such pets are often middle-aged & consequently hard to place through normal shelters, so CT find new homes for them. A dog who has been living with someone disabled or infirm would already have worked out not pulling on the lead or jumping at you etc, & as with shelter dogs, you get the warm glow of adopting a poor sad beastie & cheering it up again. Cinnamon Trust clicky

No scrap, jot or tittle of the forgoing should be understood to be in any way definitive.

27th Mar 2007, 15:17

paintist says:

or ....toy manchester terrier...short coat, small size intellegent...thinks it is a 'real' dog.....

27th Mar 2007, 16:41

paintist says:

forgot to add....enjoy the hunt, this is a fun part ... the falling in love bit :-)

27th Mar 2007, 16:42

Rich says:

that's what i said, but far less eloquently - Think he's quite set on something more pedigree-ish.

27th Mar 2007, 16:57

mat says:

already done that bit :) Spent a long time with the breed guides, and watching the Crufts already.. I rather want a japanese spitz, I think (the finnish is lovely, but the colour is all wrong). I can live with some grooming - I leave black hair everywhere myself, and Elvis tabby - so someone leaving white hair would make a nice change.

I did actually look over the local rescue home sites, several times. Lots of ex-race greyhounds, lots of collies, lots of German Shepherds and lots of very ugly mongrels. It may be shallow, but I want a nice looking dog as well as a clever one. Prick ears being quite a big thing too - really narrows the field down fast, that one.

"pre-owned" is a good idea though - the boundless, untrained energy of a puppy would be ace, but could also be a problem. I found a couple of 3-6 year old JS for sale on t'internet. One is just up the road too (in Kings Lynn)..

thanks for the helpful words everyone, much appreciated. you will be kept posted, as I'm sure any dog will be extensively photographed upon arrival.. :)

27th Mar 2007, 17:03

jiva says:

oohhh doggy! not sure what you should get. I don't know my dogs. You could get a bunny and take it for walks on a lead.

27th Mar 2007, 17:07

hildegard says:

Pre-loved pretty dogs all in a row; Breed rescue societies listing clicky

27th Mar 2007, 17:23

silar31 (NLI) says:

One other thing to keep in mind when you talk to a breeder - most spitz breeds have a pretty strong prey drive, so be sure to let them know you have a cat in residence. I know Elvis is a badass and all, but why borrow trouble? See what happened to paintist's Dido when she tangled with a badass cat - eye injuries are no fun for anyone.

27th Mar 2007, 19:52

jiva says:

One thing I can suggest mat, is that if you get a small puppy you can train it a bit so that it wont pull at you so much. Therefore once a bigger dog he will know the rules. Plus if you can still ride a bike:
A friend Trojan Lama has trained his husky to mush on his bike!
how cool is that.

28th Mar 2007, 15:01

seaneeboy says:

jiva - given Elvis' prediliction for bunnies I think that idea is only bound to lead to heartbreak :)

28th Mar 2007, 15:23

jiva says:

I bet Mat can't resist cute overload today...
MUSH!

30th Mar 2007, 09:48

ukmari says:

I heard spitz bark quite badly.

31st Mar 2007, 17:12

spitzmad(ascaraig-at-aol-dot-com) says:

Japanese Spitz along with quite a few other Spitz breeds are in the utility group (no stong prey drive!) what some do have is the Spitz Independent streak i.e. not so good off lead (some more than others) all dogs will bark if allowed too (Basenji's excepted- also a Spitz) but most were used as watchdogs (NOT GUARD DOG!) so will give voice when someone comes to the door. the coat is relatively easy to groom - once a week (as with all dogs) a short coat alternative is Norwegian Buhund or if you really want a white coat try German Spitz Mittel bred from imported German dogs (Aus Dem Norden all have been bred for white coats) I would sugest you contact breeders of your favourite choices and go visit if you can.

1st Apr 2007, 10:00

silar31 says:

spitzmad, on the prey drive thing - it may be a case of specific breeds then - I grew up with 2 Samoyeds, and they were both pretty prey-driven dogs. Of course we were in a very rural area where there was a great deal of prey to chase - the grey and red squirrel population was very high.

3rd Apr 2007, 07:22

paintist says:

how is the puppy hunt going...have you found one yet?

19th Apr 2007, 19:10

mat says:

currently not looking, 'cos we're going away at the end of this month. but there are a few of them around on the internet - I have a theory that if you can find what you want online without much effort at time (a), you'll be able to do it at time (b) as well, no matter when (b) is relative to (a). it pretty much holds.

19th Apr 2007, 19:12

Colette(jogold-at-manx-dot-net) says:

We have a litter due next week so not ready until approx 9-10 weeks time, they will be £550 each. I have 2 JS and I give them a good brush once a week and then get the dog groomer to wash and give them a good brush every couple of months (roughly £20 each).

23rd Apr 2007, 22:20

Lupinoid says:

When we decided to have our first furry member of the family it was really important to us that the breed of dog we went for ticked all our critera boxes; like yourself we wanted looks wise a wolfy dog: pointy ears and muzzle and less drool factor; but it was also important that whatever we chose would suit our lifestyle. And that is how we came to have our wonderful Chilli, who is now just under 11months old.

Japanese Spitzen are very adaptable and do equally as well in a small apartment as in a large farm house, as long as they have a walk each day; They are also as a breed not so prone to the separation anxiety alot of dogs get when left on their own from time to time. Other key features:(sorry no air-con or sun-roof)good with children and other animals, easy to train, intelligent, very hardy as far as illness is concerend and less prone to fleas than other breeds due to the density of the coat; and above all good companions (Being a utility breed and classified as a companion dog...go figure.)

I have had people insist that they are noisy but I have to say that I don't find this to be true. Yes they will alert you to someone at the door/on your property (ever the protective watchdog, Chilli soon lets me know someones at the door, before shamlessly flaunting herself at whoever the hell it is once I open the door 'oh did I just bark at you, well I actually ment fuss me NOW! I'm so cute how can you resist, go on touch me Im so soft')but apart from that there pretty quite on the bark front. Chilli can however make an interesting array of squeeky jips and gurgles to communicate her demands for love, food, play or outdoor needs the most common reminding me of the noise baby crocodiles make(thank you animal planet); but it took her till the tender age of around 6-7 months before she actually found her bark, which is generally reserved as my special door bell.

As far as grooming goes a good going over once a week keeps it in check, however when shedding season is upon us (ie right now) once a day is preferable untill the winter coat is out. Females typically shed twice a year males once but spayed females will shed once also. They very rarely need a bath, they are very clean and people often remark how stunningly white Chilli looks when were out on our walk; the benefit of having a dog that grooms like a cat=a self cleaning dog. However if you happen to say drop a forkfull of pasta with red pesto on your fluffy friend (yup it happened) then a bath is a good option for anything greasy or sticky and may stain; but when faced with a mud coated dog from a wet country walk, leave it. Another JS miracle of cleaning means they dry out real quick and *poof* the coat springs out and the mud flakes off and tah dah one clean pup is left.

In short get a JS there great!

29th Apr 2007, 03:05

Puddlepuff says:

Is a Beezer a race?

9th May 2007, 21:59

shirlwlm says:

Ive got two js girls and may i say ive never come across another breed that is more people friendly than these little beauties. What more could you ask for uncondional love always, head turners, stunning looking and people always stop me and ask about them, they always bring a smile to your face.

26th May 2007, 18:14

kathryn(kathrynwalkington141-at-hotmail-dot-co-dot-uk) says:

i have had japanese Spitz for years, they are so loving and friendly. I had one for 14 year and he only had to see the vet to get his vaccinations. They are great on rainy days because they will happily stay indoors with you and keep you company. I now have three of them and they get on with everone that come to their home. They dont often bark only when they fell they should be protecting you and your home

27th May 2007, 15:18

June O'Connell(juneoco-at-tiscali-dot-co-dot-uk) says:

I've just lost my beloved japanese spitz and am also looking for another, just loved this dog and this breed. She was just perfect, not demanding, loved to be with me, very sociable, easy to maintain, very clean, very pretty. Enjoyed little walks. People would gather round in the street to say hello. If anybody has a young female Japanese Spitz that needs a home contact me! Am willing to drive quite far to collect it and I'll love her forever.

4th Jul 2007, 10:16

wendy(beezaville-at-blueyonder-dot-co-dot-uk) says:

HYey someone on Dogweb is looking to rehome three or four spitz puppies,
Wendy

18th Sep 2007, 11:39

Jane says:

How do you toilet train a Japanese Spitz? She's 5 months and still peeing on the carpet in the lounge!

21st Oct 2007, 20:37

mat says:

just like you train any other kind of puppy...

22nd Oct 2007, 11:03

Saphire says:

I've found with my spitz Woolfie to just keep putting him outside but once I studded him he wont stop peeing in the bathroom. Is this a natural thing do you think? Also does anyone know any place in manchester where I can stud him again?

12th Nov 2007, 13:45

Sapphire(splashsapphire-at-yahoo-dot-co-dot-uk) says:


I've found with my spitz Woolfie to just keep putting him outside but once I studded him he wont stop peeing in the bathroom. Is this a natural thing do you think? Also does anyone know any place in manchester where I can stud him again?

12th Nov 2007, 13:46

Sasha(mysti77-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

I'm also interested in getting a Japanese Spitz. Let me know how you get on :)

12th Nov 2007, 19:53

mat says:

Sasha - I got on pretty well :-)

13th Nov 2007, 10:23

Sasha says:

That's fantastic! Where did you get yours from? I'm now in the process of contacting breeders to get myself on the waiting list.

13th Nov 2007, 10:30

mat says:

Look a little up this page for a comment from a nice lady called Collette. She offered me one of her JS puppies after (presumably) finding this page on google, which I picked up earlier this year, all the way from the Isle of Man to here in Norfolk.

The only breeders I know about, other than Collette, is Charney, who quite literally wrote the book on JS. I think they often have puppies available, although this is kinda the wrong time of year, you may find it easier in spring.

13th Nov 2007, 10:38

Sasha says:

Thanks Mat,

I got in touch with Collette so I'm now on the waiting list! I'll have to pick up the puppy from London so that will also be quite a journey but it will be worth it.

13th Nov 2007, 12:54

anne(jimmic47-at-msn-dot-com) says:

i have a japanese spitz puppy'who's six weeks old and it just loves children the most adorable little dog she can already sit, lie down,and offer a paw on command.so to anyone thinking of getting a jp i would highley recommend! it.

18th Mar 2008, 09:02

Natasja(mejeaan-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

I have a japanese spitz and live on the ilse of man...anyone know of a male spitz available for breeding with my girl??? Papers of coarse and sure..hopefully some gorgeous pedigree puppies anyone? Natasja

12th Aug 2009, 14:55