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19th Apr 2007, 21:10   | tags:

goode says:

nice logo...

19th Apr 2007, 21:11

Steve says:

How soon?

19th Apr 2007, 21:11

Puddlepuff says:

COOL!!! Can't wait!!

19th Apr 2007, 21:11

Sprocket says:

ah. the little reflecto shadow, nice touch

19th Apr 2007, 21:13

Hotdog says:

Ohhh Shiny

19th Apr 2007, 21:14

Sir Findo Gask says:

Want it now...

Not soon...

Now..

19th Apr 2007, 21:15

Helen says:

Changes?

Twitches a bit.

19th Apr 2007, 21:37

Electric Sheep says:

Looks the same to me.


:)

Anyways, is it too early to get my 2.0 bingo card out?

19th Apr 2007, 21:37

Joe says:

mmm nice.

19th Apr 2007, 21:41

Essitam says:

Ooo - the anticipation!!

19th Apr 2007, 21:41

chris says:

Mmmmm, web 2.0 reflection.

19th Apr 2007, 21:50

Mandy. says:

i echo helen. change makes me nervous. what if it's different?

19th Apr 2007, 22:59

goode says:

change is good... it'll do you no harm!

19th Apr 2007, 23:01

Electric Sheep says:

:(

20th Apr 2007, 01:33

mat says:

yeah, it's a surprise. wait a week until the shock has gone, and you'll see it's a lot better. really. I've been using this theme in testing for a while now, it's much easier to use.

20th Apr 2007, 01:37

hildegard says:

Sorry Mat, I'm not going to come around to liking that in a month of Sundays.
It lacks coherence & the editorial tone seems to have gone over to the Dark Side as well - all excitable & MySpacey.

Appreciate the site's always looking for new punters, but has MoblogUK decided to reposition itself for 12 year olds? The "Taken any great pictures from your phone recently?" schtick - who came up with that & will they be available for Speaking Bitterness sessions anytime soon? As to the personalised welcome - importunate as a Walmart greeter.

The commercial moblogs were things I used to pop along to fairly often but your new Featured Moblogs section ought to be re-titled "Rammed Down Your Throat Moblogs". Not likely to draw one in - they just look like the normal "to avoid" blogmercials.

Always admired the look & feel of MoblogUK until just a few minutes ago.

20th Apr 2007, 02:39

mat says:

You're right about the stuff on the front page. I'm sorry. I've toned it down a bit. A big part of the problem is that I don't have the strength to work at a normal rate, so I haven't written most of the new copy. Some of our staff have more excitable writing styles than I do, but it's all genuine and meant in good faith, even if it may sometimes not quite sound like that. Another part of the problem is that space was designed to be a welcome area for new visitors, and we had to come up with something to go in there when existing users were logged in. What you see there is filler, I admit.

The commercial moblogs are quite important to us. We need to make money somehow - subscriptions help, but overheads are going up as we bring in more people and aim higher with what we do. For the record, I don't personally like the featured page much more than you do, and neither do I like there being more adverts around the place - the commercial aspect of the site does feel a bit more in my face from how it was before. I'll get used to it, and it's still nothing like a lot of sites out there. I can promise you this though - it'll be a cold day in hell before we have animated flash ads scrolling in over the page, or big pop-up advertising links on every other word in people's posts. But, that said, this isn't a hobby any more, hasn't been for a few years, it's a business, and businesses need to make money in order to grow. If you don't like the featured page or the homepage (notice that the latest page is pretty much the old homepage - I've already changed my mbUK bookmark to point there rather than home), then don't go to them, but maybe some other people will find something there. And be fair, a good proportion of our commercial moblogs are legit - Maximo Park, Imogen Heap, Bloc Party, Seth Lakeman and even the rarely-updated Goldfrapp moblog are real pictures from the real people involved, not to mention that their fans seem to really enjoy joining in too.

As for the look and feel - I was as shocked as you are (it's not my design). Give it a week, it will grow on you. Changing anything people are used to and (I hope, at least a bit) attached to is always upsetting.

20th Apr 2007, 02:59

silar31 says:

Couple of things:

Like the tag cloud. Like the larger thumbs from the highlights. Not loving the featured blogs being that in my face. Miss the random blog. Now for the one huge problem I have:

WHY on earth did you steal control of the nav links on our own CSS-controlled pages to go and stick them up on an ugly black top bar? Little inspiration from Livejournal? Well, guess what? It was a shitty idea when they did it, and it's shitty here. I worked hard tweaking my CSS to get those links to appear in the right place against my header image, and I don't appreciate having that work all be for naught. I'm quite certain I'm not the only one having this thought. If it's at all possible please at least make the link bar be optional so those of us who want to can be rid of it.

20th Apr 2007, 03:09

hildegard says:

Phew! And blimey - that's the fastest feedback response I've seen since the early 90s. As one insomniac to another - I'm impressed. ;)
Fair play on the business model. Not criticising that in any way shape or form & do my best to plug you whenever I can. It's partly as a business decision that I think that cluster of "Featured Moblogs" is potentially counter-productive. People develop reflexes for blanking out intrusive advertising & the fact that it was previously that bit more subtle may have worked to your advantage. Anyway, you see the site traffic, you'll know how it works out.
It's not like I can rely on any other moblog makers to be listening to Amon Düül and somehow that counts for something, even if I have to squint at the Home page. ;)

20th Apr 2007, 03:10

mat says:

Silar - please see this post for more on why we've made this change with the navigation. I hope you can understand that we really had no choice, and I'm honestly very sorry that all your hard work was undone.

The random blog has moved to the latest page - there was no way we were going to lose that, it's far too good. I strongly suggest changing your moblogUK bookmark to point at latest rather than home - all the useful stuff off the old homepage is there now, the homepage is, really, aimed at new visitors who don't know what's what or where to go.

20th Apr 2007, 03:17

silar31 says:

mat, thanks for the reply. I read the thread and I do understand now why you had to do it. I expect I'll get used to it. ;-)

20th Apr 2007, 03:27

mat says:

thanks for being so cool about this, all of you guys. I know it's a big shock to see the site looking so different, but it will grow on you, I promise.

It took me ages before my moblog felt like mine again when we first put the new design onto the test server. This theme wasn't designed by me, and mbUK's code/design has been so much my work for so long, it was really hard to let go. I imagine that's something how you guys feel too. Don't worry, we're still the same old moblog, just with a fancy new hat and coat. :)

20th Apr 2007, 03:40

goode says:

i like it... change is good!

20th Apr 2007, 04:10

Mandy. says:

I don't like it so much. The fonts are too big. I like little fonts. But I like new hats & coats.

20th Apr 2007, 05:54

Mandy. says:

I should ask in the forum, but where's the regular old shared moblogs?

20th Apr 2007, 05:57

anonymous says:

I'm always happy to try something new. The only thing I would suggest is that the "Latest" page, which was the old landing page gets more prominence on the new landing page. It is, after all, where most of the action is, and where the highlights ultimately come from :)

20th Apr 2007, 06:55

paintist says:

my lastest page is a little scattered..images are not lining up properly ( iwhen you tell me how to correct it please bear with me as I am not computer literate at all )

*edit
all the featued pics are pushing the highlights, and all the highlights are pushing latest off the page...

20th Apr 2007, 07:26

Helen says:

Ooh, it's like learning a new route to the supermarket. Think I've re-orientated.

20th Apr 2007, 07:31

Twiglet says:

Ooooo!

(Generally accepted to be a positive comment....!)

20th Apr 2007, 07:59

taniwha says:

I was stumped for a moment, and then grieved slightly fo the old design and now ... well, I like it. Just need to remember that home is for visitors.

20th Apr 2007, 08:03

Dhamaka says:

Congratulations on making the change - and on letting someone else work on the site, which must have been a wrench.
I have Paintist's problems on front and latest pages but will wait a while to see what sorts out

20th Apr 2007, 08:22

Puddlepuff says:

HELP!!! I can't see anything anymore. Home is all screwed up. My CSS is all funny. Have thing going across my screen like bananas,... HELP.

20th Apr 2007, 08:31

Essitam says:

Erm...is it my browser or does the home page make no sense at all???

20th Apr 2007, 08:32

Essitam says:

Actually just opened the site in IE and it looks like I think it should....why is firefox (or at least MY version) not displaying correctly???

20th Apr 2007, 08:36

Puddlepuff says:

Have the problem in EI and Firefox.....

Closing my Blog.

20th Apr 2007, 08:39

Essitam says:

Dont close...change is good, not everyone will like it but sometimes it's necessary.

I dont like the latest posts not being on the home page, (which is i think it should look like in IE) but my bookmark goes straight to my friends page anyway so quite often bypass that area totally!!

And everything new has teething problems. So dont close!!

But in saying that CAN SOMEONE FIX MY HOME PAGE IN FIREFOX (please) :-P

20th Apr 2007, 08:44

Essitam says:

Ohhh...has the moblog fairy been??

...it looks ok now in FF....


*keeps fingers crossed*

20th Apr 2007, 08:46

Spike says:

hmm, i can get used to it, i understand the reason for the change, everything has to change sometimes.. give everyone a few days and no one will miss the old design!

20th Apr 2007, 08:46

teflon says:

Essitam: when I loaded the site for the first time this morning, it hadn't quite got the new CSS yet - reload a couple of times (or empty your cache) and it ought to go fix itself.

I'll need to play a bit more, but I think I like it..

20th Apr 2007, 08:51

Essitam says:

It's growing on me....now i can see it properly ;-)

20th Apr 2007, 08:53

chris says:

You might just need to do a hard refresh Essitam? Might was a little screwy at first...

I have to say, I really like the new design - feels a lot cleaner, like the nav bar being consistant and think it's a bit improvement on the messiness of the old design.

Surely I'm not alone??!

20th Apr 2007, 08:56

Essitam says:

You are not alone!!

20th Apr 2007, 08:56

Puddlepuff says:

-I miss the comments on the left side on the main page.
-The blue square on the main page is pretty much useless. I know who I am and the navigation in there is also on the top nav.
-To much featured moblogs on main page.
-I can understand that you want the navigation to be visible at all times, but this solution sucks.
-Damn, can't think of anything positive to say about it :(

Bye's

20th Apr 2007, 09:01

teflon says:

I think to disappear over this is a bit of an over-reaction: I'm sure mat and the team aren't going to ignore your comments. Head over to the latest page instead of the homepage, and it's just like the same as the old site, but with a lick of paint!

20th Apr 2007, 09:04

paintist says:

what is a hard reboot? will it help the jiggly pics on my page...Mac os x helllllllp

20th Apr 2007, 09:12

chris says:

Paintist, a hard refresh is when you request all files off the server again.

On a Mac I think you press shift and click on the refresh button (but i've only had a mac for 2 days, so not sure!)

20th Apr 2007, 09:16

The Almighty Angel says:

It's not that bad.

The fonts are a little too big though, and navigation is a bit poo. I liked it when it was part of the design.

20th Apr 2007, 09:17

nige says:

i dig it alot. change is good, and the old design was getting stale, so i'm loving this already, and i know it's going to improve with use.

come on, give it a chance. and puff, you're not leaving, man. you can't. we're a community, right? and this is good for the community, as far as i'm concerned.

20th Apr 2007, 09:24

Joe says:

I'll get used to it. As soon as I stop clicking home, and remember to click latest instead.

I understand the problems that the development team had in implementing this change, and it is no small deal, coming up with a consistent design, which would still work with everyone's custom CSS must have been a nightmare.
Thanks for all your hard work mat/ben, I'd love to be able to say I adore it, but at present I don't, however I'm sure I'll get used to it.

20th Apr 2007, 09:31

Steve says:

On the whole I quite like it, change is good.

Wish that we could lose the "Featured" bit on the latest page, but I can understand why it is there.

It will take me time to get used to Ctrl 3 instead of Ctrl 1 *shakes fist*. On that note are you going to add Tag searching to the search page? Joe's firefox search plugin no longer adapts the front page which is a shame because I used this loads. Could we get Ctrl T for jumping to the tags page?

All in all I think that it is a great start and a move in the right direction... can we make the Nav bar pure black? :)

Good work Gents

20th Apr 2007, 09:41

Joe says:

Steve, I'll look into changing the extension to work with the new layout.

20th Apr 2007, 09:43

paintist says:

I am not a subscriber....but can I have my friends posts list back in the side bar?...all in all this looks great, and easy on the eye, just missing my friends :-(

20th Apr 2007, 09:44

James says:

I like it a lot! The site was definitely in need of a refresh and change is good, well done all involved!

I think this change will inspire me to redesign my blog too!

One suggestion I do have Matt - on the home page the 'busyness', 'tags' and 'featured moblogs' columns next to each other look a little cluttered/messy, maybe if each of them had a different coloured opaque background that would make things a little less cluttered?

Something like this: http://moblog.co.uk/view.php?id=242779
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I'd love the 'welcome back name' text to change languages and say crazy stuff like Flickr does, that always makes me smile!

Other than those minor points - great work!

20th Apr 2007, 09:46

backwards lamb says:

its ok , im not a massive fan on the home page but as you say we just dont have to look at it. which i wont be.

but one thing is that every page looks like the home page, as i seem to remember it that all the pages related to the users chosen theme? why so has this changed? i liked haveing all the pages that were comunal the colour and style of my chosen theme. ie black.

20th Apr 2007, 09:48

Steve says:

Thanks Joe!

Just for the record I don't like the word "Busyness" but that's just me

20th Apr 2007, 09:55

540air says:

I think that overall it's a good. Once I get used to clicking latest instead of home I'm sure it will feel as comfy as the old style.

Well done mat for letting go and Ben for coming up with the theme. Loved the old style moblogUK, the new one should be as good if not better.

The king is dead, long live the king or somesuch? :)

20th Apr 2007, 09:58

Alfie says:

Teflon has it right on the head, for everyone missing the old home page, the new 'latest' page is basically that, just snazzier. Anonymous - good idea, latest is after all where all the real action is taking place.

Mat and I have been so close to the new site for so long now that (at least for me) I can feel the improvements in my navigation of the site, but it definitely took a bit of time to feel them.

I really hope that those who have problems right now find that we've thought through it quite well and that what look like problems now are really easily solved by using the site in a slightly new way. I also just want to express my admiration for Mat in his thoughtful replies; it is so clear that he cares about everyone on the site so much.

20th Apr 2007, 10:05

Steve says:

Please remap latest to Ctrl 1 It's driving me barmy :) (oh ok I will learn a new trick instead)

20th Apr 2007, 10:11

Salome says:

I like it. It might take some getting used to, but I've always liked that shade of blue. Good work everyone!

20th Apr 2007, 10:32

crickson says:

Ok, now I've found the Latest page and gotten used to it all I think it's pretty good. Moblog's brilliant value really and by far the best social site I've ever used. Good Job to all involved in the re-vamp : )

20th Apr 2007, 10:34

Groovicron says:

Seems nice and shiny to me. Although I can't seem to find the shared moblogs anywhere (aside from a few on the front page in a featured section).

Really need to update my own page methinks.

20th Apr 2007, 10:43

seaneeboy says:

groovicron - http://www.moblog.co.uk/shared.php :)

In the words of the scholar Louis Walsh - "Oi Loike It!"

It does make the site feel "bigger" somehow - and as long as it keeps being dynamic, and the odd little tweak here and there (I think a lot of the copy and tone of phrase is inconsistant - but you know that anyway) and it'll be faboo.

I think there's perhaps a *little* too much content on the landing page - on my 1024x768 screen.

The top bar - could do with one icon or something in there to de-bland it. Perhaps the speechbubble device after the mobloguk text.

20th Apr 2007, 11:04

afternoon says:

Bmal: We decided to use the default theme for all "site" pages (i.e. pages that aren't "yours" if you see what I mean). This was partly out of convenience, to ease the task of adapting all the old themes, and because I felt it better to make those pages consistent and distinct.

20th Apr 2007, 11:25

Puddlepuff says:

I seriously can't figure out what is going wrong with my CSS?!

20th Apr 2007, 12:07

Spike says:

My CSS appears fine.. but it IS quite basic.. lost the hoverables, but i like the new navigation..

for every (although few) cons.. i can think of pro's

having used it all morning, i like it.. Judos to those who developed it.. kudos indeed

20th Apr 2007, 12:15

backwards lamb says:

the only thinhg thats messed with mine is that if you go full screen my head banner thing sits to th left. is there a way around this? its the same on spikes. :)

20th Apr 2007, 12:19

Spike says:

there IS a way around it.. (i'd not noticed actually)

dont go full screen! sorted!

20th Apr 2007, 12:21

backwards lamb says:

cheeky get!
i like going full screen :P

20th Apr 2007, 12:23

backwards lamb says:

erm having a cruise round the site, i like it a bit more now!
one thing tho, why do the featured moblogs not have the navi-bar at the top?
i have always felt that they should have them to guide people looking at say maximo parks to the home page to encourage them to sign up.?
or is there a reason there isnt a navi-bar at the top of their pages?

20th Apr 2007, 12:31

Viv says:

Just sent a pic of my home page - which seems slow in arriving - maybe a lot of traffic - but never mind - read Steves comment to Para to clear cache so went to Firefox help - searched cache - found reload and now I've found how much my page has changed - like the bigger images and that you can see all the images in the post side by side - and larger text is fine with old eyes! Also like the static nav bar - used to get frustrated before and ende up using the back arrow a lot!

20th Apr 2007, 12:41

Steve says:

I might need to get that eye test because I prefer the larger font too :)

20th Apr 2007, 12:44

Viv says:

:D
just looking around and Helen's site is still in original format - reload again?

20th Apr 2007, 12:46

Alfie says:

bmal - not all featured moblogs are nav-free, Imogens for example: moblog.co.uk/blogs.php?show=1016 and many others. The reason the nav is not present on some of these is because they run from the artist or clients own website or microsite: www.ronankeating.com/moblog for example. These clients have different requirements because of that, one of them being that our nav would mess with the integration of their moblogs into their existing sites or microsites.

20th Apr 2007, 12:47

Viv says:

Oh and I sent my picture back to myself!

20th Apr 2007, 12:47

Steve says:

If it is already cached you may need to reload again, shutting down and restarting might also do it

20th Apr 2007, 12:57

Viv says:

Ah beginning to understand - some designs have remained the same but as mine is default it has changed - anyway I like!

20th Apr 2007, 12:57

Rich says:

IT WAS ALL FIELDS ROUND HERE WHEN I WAS A LAD I FEAR CHANGE WHY CAN'T I USE THE WORD GAY TO MEAN HAPPY AAAAARGH!

Yeah, it'll grow on you

20th Apr 2007, 13:20

backwards lamb says:

ok cool i was just wondering. thanks for answering that alfie. :)

20th Apr 2007, 13:24

mysocalledmoblog says:

am i missing something or is there no longer a recent posts section? I used that LOADS to see what was new and who was posting. Now i'm going to end up looking only at my friends and nothing new.

20th Apr 2007, 13:46

mysocalledmoblog says:

p.s. never mind, i've just found the latest page, which is fab. lalala.

20th Apr 2007, 13:48

beth says:

-gets bearings, checks everything's in order-

yep, that's all perfectly acceptable to me. -nods-

jolly good, bravo! bring on the change!

20th Apr 2007, 14:04

beth says:

and also. i've always thought 'my page' should be a friends page anyway. thus the confusion has ended.

20th Apr 2007, 14:07

ViX says:

This is what I posted on the forum before I found this thread!

Hmmm.

The front page is much 'busier' now.

I'm not sure about the logo and the navigation bar. It seems a bit... plain/ insignificant. The new way to navigate (seperate links) is much better tho!

The big blue 'welcome back' box seems pointless.

I know they are important but I don't like the way the featured blogs are a bit shoved in your face on the front page.

Couldnt you just have either the bit next to the big blue box, or make the bit underneath it to to right a list rather than pictures because the pictures make it just a bit too cluttered.

I think I'm going to bypass the front page altogether and just link to 'latest' instead.

The colour scheme is a bit myspacey, and my theme doesn't show up on the 'latest' page, is this a permanent thing?

Good to see the comments box is much bigger tho!

If I seem negative its because it takes me a while to get use to change! haha. I'm sure it'll grow on me but this is my initial reaction.

20th Apr 2007, 14:21

Essitam says:

Having seen it this morning, fixed my problems, THEN gone to work and now home again. Logging back in I like it.

I will be forever bypassing the front page (unless to check out highlights) It is just TOO busy...although saying that bigger thumbnails and MORE displayed highlights are good!

20th Apr 2007, 16:02

Laszlo Q. V. St-J. Xalieri says:

Hmm indeed.

My biggest objection is that the new front page AND the 'latest' page, which is fairly close to the old front page, now look like crap on a 800-pixel-across screen, which is, no kidding, my main device. Extended from this, I conclude: this site for mobile blogging is now a good deal less friendly to mobile devices. That strikes me as a significant step backwards with respect to the original focus -- which is embedded in the URL.

I dunno if the new design has the browser on the iPhone in mind (not that that's what I'm using, but it's comparable as a form factor), but it ought to.

[*]

20th Apr 2007, 16:19

Rach & Pauls Moblog says:

I have to say it seems very basic but I am willing to give it a shot.

20th Apr 2007, 16:26

seaneeboy says:

Oh, I've not checked it out on my phone's opera yet - Will do when I get home, battery's knackered at the moment.

20th Apr 2007, 16:34

afternoon says:

Laszlo: Sorry to hear you're having problems with an 800 width screen. We always design for this width. I'm actually surprised to hear you were getting good results with the old design. What mobile device do you use that has an 800px screen out of interest?

20th Apr 2007, 17:18

Helen says:

I miss seeing the list of people who have posted recently. A little bit. Not much. But it did sometimes alert me to actually look at the pictures that were turning up on the main page...

Overall, it's the same old Moblog really, isn't it? In new clothes. As long as I can still find all the bits I use it's all good.

20th Apr 2007, 17:22

Steve says:

The accessibility help needs updating:

4 now equals Featured rather than shared.
5 now equals Highlights not Top rated.
6 is now empty.

I really do love these quick keys and think that it is great that you have them.

Can we have:

T for Tab search please :)

20th Apr 2007, 17:57

Viv says:

helen - latest has the list - latest is like the old home wheras home is more a welcome page

20th Apr 2007, 18:04

Helen says:

It doesn't list (as in words) the latest people to update their blogs... I can't see it anyway.

I found the latest page very quicky this morning, to my relief.

It was like touching base in a world of confusion (it was 7am, bit early to pull changes like this on me).

: )

20th Apr 2007, 18:06

Viv says:

No just pics - see your point

20th Apr 2007, 18:07

Helen says:

I'm not sure how useful it ever was, but I did look at it to assess whether to bother exploring the pictures or not.

20th Apr 2007, 18:09

Viv says:

That list of most highlighted is going to cause some competition - I can see Steve's smile from here!

20th Apr 2007, 18:17

Steve says:

I think it's more of a grin... a smug one. :)

20th Apr 2007, 18:18

paintist says:

my friends are back! Yay...but i am with Helen on the list...would like to know who is posting.....but Yay we are all shiny and fresh, great work ....edit *.oops..everything is lovely now...list and home and everything....:-) just ignore me, I am off to play now

20th Apr 2007, 18:19

Viv says:

having said that I think it's great to be able to look back at all the HL's

did wonder if I pressed a name that there's would come up!
wishful thinking!

20th Apr 2007, 18:20

Helen says:

That highlight list has always been there and he's been grinning an awful long time.

20th Apr 2007, 18:22

Steve says:

I never mention it... mostly

20th Apr 2007, 18:25

Twiglet says:

Agree with Helen and Paintist about THAT list.... Paintist: If you've found it, tell me where it is please?

20th Apr 2007, 19:09

MaggieD says:

Wow, was a little taken aback at first .... but once I had worked it out it was fine .... I can see (by reading through this thread that it must have been a hell of a lot of hard work ..... it is very good of both Mat and Ben to take so much time to explain it all ... esp as they must be completely knackered by now) .... I go with the majority of opinion on the homepage, but think the latest page is just fine :) ..... hope you guys get a good night's sleep tonight ....

20th Apr 2007, 19:30

Dhamaka says:

ah.... working fine now
:)

20th Apr 2007, 21:25

Puddlepuff says:

Would it be possible to only make the featured and higlights show on the first page of the "latest" list. After 10 pages of "latest" it get's a bit old.

20th Apr 2007, 23:12

Rhys says:

Off the site for one day and look what happens!

Bit of a shock but I think I'll get used to it!

21st Apr 2007, 00:10

Viv says:

I had the same thought Puddlepuff

21st Apr 2007, 00:13

Puddlepuff says:

Nother thought, when I now stumble into a featured moblog, I'm locked in. Cous there are no links anymore to click on.

21st Apr 2007, 00:16

540air says:

Just posted this in the forum, but as most of the conversation seems to be here, I figured I'd copy it across....

I have to say that for the most part I think the changes are great. If the homepage is a bit more commercial in order to atract more people and money then so be it. Most of the community either have already worked it out, or soon will, that the latest page is the old homepage. So that leaves the new homepage to be the idiots guide into moblogUK.

The only thing I do miss from the old way, is being able to see the list of which moblogs have been updated so I could play a game with myself and try to match the images to the moblogs.

Other than that, I like it lots :)

21st Apr 2007, 00:16

bronxelf says:

If the homepage is a bit more commercial in order to atract more people and money then so be it.

WORD.

21st Apr 2007, 01:16

Laszlo Q. V. St-J. Xalieri says:

I'm on a Sony VAIO VGN-U750P, but the 800x600 screen is pretty standard for, say, PSPs, Nokia linux handhelds, and a number of other smaller mobile computers and larger phones.

To be honest, I wasn't using the default settings but one of the themes that had been put together... But even the default pre-login screen wasn't hideous....

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21st Apr 2007, 03:04

kel says:

I fear change.

I go away and this happens?

nah, in all seriousness, I'll get used to it. :)

it's good to see you guys are keeping the site evolving and changin, and now I can see how to find latest moblogs (which I always thought was a really nice way of browsing the site) I'm happy!

21st Apr 2007, 10:08

mat says:

"Nother thought, when I now stumble into a featured moblog, I'm locked in. Cous there are no links anymore to click on."

That's not exactly a new feature, that's always been the case. Maximo Park or Bloc Party, for exmaple, have never had our navigation drawn. it's just that now they're not having the new navigation drawn instead. The accesskeys still work (Steve - good point, I'll sort those out), so you can use those to navigate away from places who have (foolishly, imo) decided to remove site navigation.

21st Apr 2007, 13:49

Puddlepuff says:

There used to be "my page" link if you were loged in.

I'm running Win Xp and FF,.. but I can't seem to get the eccesskeys to get working.

21st Apr 2007, 15:27

mat says:

not always, there wasn't. depends on the moblog in question, some of them lost all the navigation.

FF changed it's default access key recently(ish). Try using shift+alt+[key] rather than alt. You can blame the mozilla foundation for that ill-informed decision. Everyone else did. see here

21st Apr 2007, 15:41

jc1000000 says:

BTW puddlepuff, 'My page' is now 'friends' - it's in the top right corner when you're logged in.

21st Apr 2007, 15:43

Steve says:

Thanks, Keys are so much cooler than mice.

21st Apr 2007, 16:07

mat says:

Steve - accessibility page is now up to date again. Random moblog (6) is back, and I've added 'T' for tagcloud (which has a tag search box on it). We have some plans to overhaul the existing search page soon, which will add tag searching. For now though, just use the tag cloud page, the page at /tag/, or just search using the address bar (ie, just type moblog.co.uk/tag/[search] and press enter)

21st Apr 2007, 16:48

Steve says:

Thanks for the "T" I love it!

It's good to have random back too.

21st Apr 2007, 17:08

Puddlepuff says:

Cool,.. Shift+Alt works. Anyone know if you can rebind that key combo yourself?

21st Apr 2007, 17:38

mat says:

Yup - type the following in the address bar...

about:config

Locate the property name "ui.key.contentAccess" and set the value to 4, this will rebind alt as the AccessKey modifier. Expect some odd behavior with the number keys, as Alt-1 is Firefox-shortcutcode for "Go to Tab 1"

I've got used to it - it's about the only annoying thing about Firefox, imo. I ♥ AccessKeys. You know you can use Alt-p to post stuff instead of hitting 'add comment'?

21st Apr 2007, 18:27

Steve says:

Access keys really improved my enjoyment of Moblog, it all got much quicker.

Whilst trying to answer PP's question I stumbled upon this which doesn't solve the problem but might be mighty useful in trying to move away from mice!

(I use Mac Ctrl C to jump to the bottom of a conversation too)

21st Apr 2007, 18:36

Puddlepuff says:

Tried Mat's suggestion, and it worked, even Alt +1 works (home).

Like that more then shift+alt, that kinda breaks your fingers. This works nicely

21st Apr 2007, 18:51

Steve says:

Now I know that I am being anal but, The logo doesn't quite work. I loved it to start with and it is cool... but, the reflection is wrong. The tail on the G breaks the line of symmetry. Now all I can see is the G and it messes with my mind, my work is all about visual symmetry and this is plain wrong.

T'is the Devils work I tell thee!

Ok, I have got that out of my system, we can continue.

21st Apr 2007, 19:49

goode says:

I agree Steve, i mentioned it to Alfie. It just needs an extra bit of photoshop to get it looking purrrfect...

For the record, i designed the logo.. Not the reflection.

21st Apr 2007, 20:13

Twiglet says:

Oh no! I have to confess that i like the new home page. I like the feature that tells you which moblog is getting all the comments. Possibly because my moblog has been up there most of the evening.... :)

21st Apr 2007, 22:31

Puddlepuff says:

That is a nice feature. Would be great if you could click on it and see even more well visited posts. Like the best 25 or something.

21st Apr 2007, 23:30

Strange Little Girl aka Mrs540 says:

I'm afraid I dont like it at all. It took me quite a while to get into moblog then I became comfortable with the format, don't do change very well. Appreciate the hard work and understand the business point of view :-(

21st Apr 2007, 23:37

Puddlepuff says:

I hear you Mrs540,... but to be honest most of the things I am getting used to. I hardly ude the front page anymore, and just go to latest.

But i seriously HATE, utterly HATE the nav bar. I understand they want navigation on every page. There wern't many people hiding it.

I just hate where it's placed,... atleast give the paying customers the freedom to tune and tweak it in their css.....

22nd Apr 2007, 00:08

hildegard says:

Ho hum, a week, you say Mat? ;)

22nd Apr 2007, 00:18

Helen says:

I can't remember what the old site was like anymore.

It's all fine. (Except I still miss that list of people who have recently updated -- it helped me filter what I look at. Could the names of the people making the picture post be displayed with that post?)

22nd Apr 2007, 00:18

Electric Sheep says:

I'm used to it now. I've just banished the front page. I'll never look at it, ever.

the latest page is bookmarked.

22nd Apr 2007, 00:34

Puddlepuff says:

Latest works nice, but takes ages to load on mobile device, since you have t load the featured and highlighs every time,.. turing of the css helped though.

22nd Apr 2007, 00:46

Steve says:

I actually like the Nav bar being where it is

22nd Apr 2007, 01:00

Hotdog says:

Shared Moblogs need a linky on the front page

22nd Apr 2007, 01:55

mat says:

We're working up a few revisions to the latest page, which should include the list by name. That'll be a few days (it is the weekend, after all), but it is on it's way. Am investigating losing the highlights list on page skipping too - although that might be less possible for design reasons. We'll see.

I'm going to try to figure out a bigger busyness page at some point, but it's a hell of a database hit to calculate it, so I'm going to have to be Clever.

Puff - look at the navigation style/location from our point of view - could we have done anything other than monochrome links and anywhere other than browser-top? Don't forget it has to work with every single theme, and every imaginable layout and colour scheme any custom css might require. In terms of design, there really are no other options that can be executed with consistency and without looking bad.

Hildegard - yes, a week. Really! :)

22nd Apr 2007, 02:40

mat says:

Hotdog - the more successful shared moblogs are going to be incorporated into the featured section, and some of the less popular ones retired. The shared page still exists, but only as a legacy thing, it won't be linked to.

There is a slightly better solution to doing shared-moblog-like things in planning, but it's a tricksy problem that will take some work. Notice how we have a lot of 2 and 3 post shared moblogs, but only a few which have managed to last past a few days of activity. Compare that to things like jump, and how much better that works for capturing a short-term trend. The tag cloud should make stuff like that easier to do.

It's hard to find a way to do communal posting that works for everyone, and the differing ways that happens, but we're working on it.

22nd Apr 2007, 02:45

silar31 says:

Just a note for anyone else trying to get a decent blend between their CSS and the new nav bar - it is *not* black - the background color of it is #222 (or #222222 if your graphics program fails to grok shortened hex codes).

22nd Apr 2007, 03:35

Puddlepuff says:

Am investigating losing the highlights list on page skipping too - although that might be less possible for design reasons. We'll see.

That would make me UBER happy if that would be possible, makes it way faster on mobile Moblogging.

22nd Apr 2007, 09:47

monkey finger says:

i like this new design. i haven't been back in a while, so it was a little bit of a shock.

for the record, i actually really like the navbar at the top. and the bigger thumbs. and the swanky new logo. and pretty much everything.

yay!

22nd Apr 2007, 10:16

Helen says:

I like the nav bar, it was a pain having to search for the links that I like to use when I visited other people's pages.


The logo is smart.

22nd Apr 2007, 11:14

Helen says:

And hurrah for the return of the list.

22nd Apr 2007, 12:37

Gael says:

OMG.
I thought the site just looked weird on hols 'cos I was using my mobile.
Knee jerk reaction? I hate it. And instead of trawling through this post which no doubt contains very rational raison d'etre I'm going to go do my washing instead.

22nd Apr 2007, 16:36

Gael says:

still feeling a bit lost, but it only took me about an hour to come back. I'm just a Luddite, is all. And for the record, i don't mind it being commercial, I grokked that a long time ago. I'll just skip the horrrible home page and be old skool. Hope it gets you lots more business; it would be nice if a few more oddballs turned up but I've a feeling it's going to be kids and groupies rather than crumblies like me : ( - and do any of them subscribe? (I know £5 is small beer compared to what the bands must pay but hey)

22nd Apr 2007, 18:13

Essitam says:

Here's a thought after scrolling down the 140 odd messages on here a "back to top" button would have been useful LOL

23rd Apr 2007, 08:36

Steve says:

Use the access keys

23rd Apr 2007, 09:11

seaneeboy says:

Funny thing with the CSS. In IE it's fine, but in FF the header images are aligned to the left hand side for me...

I'm not explaining very well though, and don't have FF at work so I'll give a better report when I'm back home :)

23rd Apr 2007, 10:06

Viv says:

Can't see a back to the top Steve

23rd Apr 2007, 10:12

Euphro says:

Access keys don't appear to work with opera :(

23rd Apr 2007, 14:35

Geodyne says:

Or FF anymore, and they did...

23rd Apr 2007, 15:39

mat says:

working fine in my FF... which version/platform are you using?

The site's accesskeys are defined according to the html standard, if they're not "working" in your browser, check it's help documents to make sure you are using the correct modifier.

I use the 'home' button to get back to the top of the page. I've always thought "back to top" links are somewhat superfluous, seeing as there's an entire key that does just that..

23rd Apr 2007, 16:12

Steve says:

Sorry your right, but I never really go back to the top of a page, I tend to go back to My page or recent.

Accesskeys work fine in the Mac FF, and the site seems to look alright too

23rd Apr 2007, 16:19

Joe says:

alt+shift+1 takes me to the homepage (FF/ubuntu)

23rd Apr 2007, 16:21

Essitam says:

Hmmm my access keys work ok if they are letters i.e Alt + T for tags but none of the numbers work??

Probably just me though, I only pretend to know what I'm doing LOL

23rd Apr 2007, 16:22

Steve says:

Are you using the latest version of Firefox? There used to be a problem with the numbers because you are also pressing Shift. Later versions cleared this up (I think)

23rd Apr 2007, 17:09

Essitam says:

Erm please refer to last post.
"I only PRETEND to know what I'm doing"

I have no idea what version I have at the moment as my computer is pants and it keeps breaking and its been broke then fixed and restored and then broke again so many times...hang on I'll call tech support...


"JAMESSSSSS!!!!!!"

23rd Apr 2007, 17:21

Alfie says:

just press the help tab on the top and then "about firefox"

23rd Apr 2007, 17:27

Essitam says:

LOL I know.

I'm dumb but not quite THAT dumb!

23rd Apr 2007, 17:29

Steve says:

Or help and check for updates!

23rd Apr 2007, 17:40

Viv says:

works fine on my Firefox too

I know this sounds really silly but there isn't a key marked home on my mac keyboard!

23rd Apr 2007, 18:11

mat says:

it's usually near page up/down.. are you on a laptop?

23rd Apr 2007, 18:22

Steve says:

If yours is a full size key board then you want the arrow that is a diagonal up or the up arrow with two lines through it. Above where your normal arrows are

23rd Apr 2007, 18:23

afternoon says:

On Macs home is usually above the arrow keys and has an arrow pointing diagonally up and left on it. On Mac laptops it's achieved by pressing "fn" and left arrow.

23rd Apr 2007, 23:45

Viv says:

Thanks - Don't think mine are working!
Did have a liquid accident some time back but rest seems to work although up arrow is a bit tempramental!

24th Apr 2007, 01:37

Viv says:

they are working it was because I was in the comment box!



24th Apr 2007, 02:16

RareAquaticBadger says:

Ooooh... new stuff! I was kinda indifferent to it when I had a quick gander at the weekend, but I quite like it. the nav bar may be a bit ugly but it's much more functional than having to search through the css. It seems that the nav bar has room to spare; are there plans for more tabs?

24th Apr 2007, 08:08

Laszlo Q. V. St-J. Xalieri says:

I have a screenshot here for how this looks on my dinky 800-pixel-wide screen. Any hints?

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24th Apr 2007, 17:50

chris says:

Re Sean's point - FF on Mac is fine, FF on Windows 2000 Pro is floating the headers left... not sure about FF on XP/Vista...

25th Apr 2007, 12:14

seaneeboy says:

FF on XP seems to be. I'll grab some screenshots of ropey-looking-stuff later.

25th Apr 2007, 12:23

munkt0n says:

wotcha.

featured moblogs on the home page - are there not that many featured moblogs? or is your RNG playing up?

apart from that I think it's great.

and if I can be arsed this is the perfect opportunity to try out my new toy to make a new skin.

25th Apr 2007, 13:05

mat says:

not all featured moblogs are rotated into the front page slots - there's an admin tool for turning them on and off. :)

new latest page is on, y'all. you may need to hit shift-refresh to make sure you don't have a cached copy of the updated css.

26th Apr 2007, 04:28

Helen says:

: )

26th Apr 2007, 07:28

Twiglet says:

Yay for that list!

26th Apr 2007, 07:32

Helen says:

Will it include shared moblogs? (There's an easy way to find this out, but just thought I'd ask.)

26th Apr 2007, 07:48

Viv says:

looks better

26th Apr 2007, 09:27

Puddlepuff says:

YeeY for the new latest page!!!!

26th Apr 2007, 10:19

seaneeboy says:

Wonderful, much better :)

26th Apr 2007, 10:29

540air says:

Excellent!! That's better now the list is back :D

26th Apr 2007, 11:20

Jigalong says:

The amount of time, and energy that has been spent on the changes has been enormous, and I do hope that it succeed as a better business model.

Overall I like some of the changes that have occurred. I like the tags on the home page and the latest page has almost everything that I would want if I was able to do my own customisation.

The only negative feedback that I have is that it's so hard to find that list of shared moblogs. It looks like it might be hidden in the featured section, as sometimes I see some moblogs that I recognise on the home page, but I can find them when I click the more hyperlink. I know that the answer probably lies in one of the previous 200 posts but its not that obvious to me.

26th Apr 2007, 23:34