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ttc guy: you take one more photo and you are going to be arrested.
me: really? there are a couple of thousand photos of this on the web.
ttc: you are not being cooperative.
me: I didn't know this was illegal. I love the rocket, and I thought other people would like to see it.
ttc: take another photo, and you are going to be arrested.
me: is this some kind of bush fear anti terrorist thing?
ttc: I am not going to discuss it with you. I am calling the police.


so I left. what happens in your subway? I took some great photos of the tube. are they a threat to the security of London?
23rd Oct 2007, 23:49   | tags:,,,

Steve says:

That top one is beautiful!

23rd Oct 2007, 23:52

swamprose says:

the red rocket is a beautiful thing.

23rd Oct 2007, 23:57

Euphro says:

That top shot is cool!

23rd Oct 2007, 23:58

I'd love to be able to make them do what they say! Get you arrested? on what charge? where would they go with it? I'd love to find out...

24th Oct 2007, 00:14

swamprose says:

thank you, for the HL. we love the rocket here, a toronto feature well loved in spite of its total lack of rocketness speed.

one very favourite driver from this station used to delight us all. when we left the station he would announce 'warp one, warp two and presto, we would be above ground. streetcars rule.

24th Oct 2007, 00:16

Euphro says:

I've just read your text:

That was a bit heavy!

The only restriction on the tube is that you can't use a flash, but otherwise photography is OK.

24th Oct 2007, 00:17

swamprose says:

para, in the middle of it all, one of my friends who is a really good lawyer happened by. he said there are better ways to fight this than getting yourself arrested. I agree. am onto it. but what is the rule in the tube? where things actually happened? no one stopped me or even took notice when I was taking photos there.

24th Oct 2007, 00:18

swamprose says:

Euphro! are you sure? really? a subway that has been bombed has legal photos? it is, btw, how I found this blog. I was impressed.

24th Oct 2007, 00:43

jesson says:

Hi SR,

I must admit I'm too chicken-hearted to photgraph many things these days especially stuff like railway stations for all the reasons you've just discovered. When APEC was on a few weeks ago we risked being arrested just for looking sideways at a pubic building or crossing a street. I'm so glad I don't work in the heart of Sydney- it was a nighmare. They just don't appreciate the artistry of the shapes and colour that you can capture in a photo. Paranoia rules everything these days. :-(

24th Oct 2007, 01:19

Steve says:

You just can't use flash because the cameras think that it is an explosion. That is really weird, did you find out why?

24th Oct 2007, 01:45

silar31 says:

Woo! LOVE these! Viva la streetcarblogging! And screw power mad petty officials who shouldn't be given the authority to police urinals!

24th Oct 2007, 02:13

SaharaSB says:

love it

24th Oct 2007, 11:22

crickson says:

How frightening - were there even signs up saying 'no photography'?

24th Oct 2007, 11:43

TTC bylaw 16b

Here's a good explanation

http://ambientlight.ca/laws.shtml
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here are the bylaws

http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/by_law1.htm
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"b) No person shall operate for commercial purposes any camera, video recording device, movie camera, or any similar device upon any vehicle or premises of the Commission without authorization."


you could carry a copy of the bylaws on you and simply say "i understand why you say that, but you're mistaken. according to the ttc bylaws i can take whatever photos i like as long as they're not for commercial purposes. these are for personal use only"

24th Oct 2007, 12:11

swamprose says:

good morning, and yes, codemonkey, that is the law. if it's for commercial purposes, it needs permission, otherwise it's okay. and I have it in writing.

I googled about 23,000 photos of the Toronto subway..so when I get a minute, I'm going to see that 'power mad petty official', as silar put it so well.

we're not afraid.

24th Oct 2007, 12:30

factotum says:

When I was taking photos on the train platform the other morning, a security "inspecteur" told me he could give me a $125 fine for taking pictures on the platform. When I said that I didn't know it was prohibited, he told me it was because I hadn't bothered to "spend five minutes to read the rules". After reading the posted regulations, I went back and told him all I saw was a rule that said no bikes. He and his buddies got out their book and spent more than five minutes finding a regulation saying that it was illegal to conduct surveys or "releves" without authorization and that a photo was a "releve". Before I got on the train, he warned me in particular not to post photos on the internet. The train platform is private property, I think, and that may have something to do with it.
I know that you're not allowed to take photos in the Metro system; occasionally people are arrested for doing so, usually people young and male.

24th Oct 2007, 13:36

nige says:

i like that you can see the station name in the first shot.

keep clicking, i say.

24th Oct 2007, 14:50

feline09 says:

beautiful color! thanks for risking jail for art :-)

25th Oct 2007, 19:39

Dhamaka says:

this all sounds really scary - shoot on guys and wtg Swamprose - In Canary Wharf I discovered that while it is within their right to ask me to stop, providing I use only 'public light' they can't actually do anything.....

25th Oct 2007, 20:29

when they get wise to that one they'll start standing in your light...

25th Oct 2007, 21:38

MaggieD says:

Love that top shot ..... and yes, keep clicking, I will write to you in jail ....

25th Oct 2007, 21:40

swamprose says:

might be worth it for maggied letters.

the TTC legal dept phoned me back today and they guy was wrong, wrong, wrong. so armed with my bylaws in print, I think I'll wander over with my big camera sometime tomorrow and photograph the big takedown. he is so in trouble.

26th Oct 2007, 00:26

taniwha says:

I like intergalactic tram pic in the top.

But what a pain about snapping photos ... it would bug me. I was photographing smoke pouring out of the McDonald's at Schiphol airport. Didn't occur to me I could be busted.

26th Oct 2007, 10:01

swamprose says:

smoke pouring out of a MacDonald's? I am so shocked.

26th Oct 2007, 10:07

JokerXL says:

CliCK and be damned!
Bloody petty minded officials.

(and I'll send you a cake with a file in it)
;-)

27th Oct 2007, 22:01

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