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People trapped in the tube.



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image taken by Eliot Ward of Adam Stacey

Euphro says:

Is this a TV or camphone pic?

7th Jul 2005, 10:43

rathgild says:

Jeez. This is what I get for just picking at images when I should be working. Sorry for any offence guys.

7th Jul 2005, 10:51

Kim Bruning says:

Wikinews question:

Hi, can you explain more about where and at what time precisely this photo was taken?

might be handy to add it directly to this page:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Trapped_underground.jpg

7th Jul 2005, 10:55

540air says:

Alf, are you stuck in that? Hope you're ok.

7th Jul 2005, 11:05

bronxelf says:

540-- He's not stuck in that. He's above ground.

7th Jul 2005, 11:06

Luca says:

watching this on the news in the US.. praying for you all.

7th Jul 2005, 11:08

540air says:

Cheers bronx

7th Jul 2005, 11:11

bronxelf says:

:) Just wanted to make sure you found out and fast. You and yours all right then?

7th Jul 2005, 11:12

540air says:

Yes we're all ok thanks. Fortunately far enough away from all this. You ok? I saw you and mrs540 were discussing fencing last night.

7th Jul 2005, 11:16

bronxelf says:

I'm okay. Very concerned- I remember this all too well from three years ago. I was on my way to bed when this happened. Awake now, obviously.

Yes, was talking about fencing last night. Much fun. She's quite nice.

7th Jul 2005, 11:18

540air says:

Like I said before, she's the best :)

All this terrorist stuff must bring back some bad memories for you though

7th Jul 2005, 11:20

alfie says:

above ground, the pic was taken on a camphone by one of tabs colleagues, just getting personal inofrmation from him now.

7th Jul 2005, 11:24

bronxelf says:

540- That's one way of putting it.

7th Jul 2005, 11:26

Steph(bunnyweb-at-gmail-dot-com) says:

Do you mean the photo was taken above ground, or the photographer is now above ground?

7th Jul 2005, 11:28

alfie says:

the photographer now above ground.

7th Jul 2005, 11:28

alexis says:

(certainly feels more like it was yesterday, than three years ago, at the moment... )

7th Jul 2005, 11:30

kostika says:

I'm not even in London and I'm worried. I wasn't in the country when 911 happened and i have few friends in NY. This is a bit freaky for me now cause I have many friends in London.

7th Jul 2005, 11:35

Laser Dog says:

This is just unbelievable ...

The latest reports are of 6 scattered explosions. Just praying that everyone is ok!

7th Jul 2005, 11:36

alfie says:

This image taken by Keith Tagg Adam Stacey. He was on the northern line just past Kings Cross. Train suddenly stopped and filled with smoke. People in carriage smashed tube windows to get out and then were evacuated along the train tunnel. He's suffering from smoke inhalation but fine otherwise.

7th Jul 2005, 11:43

bronxelf says:

Glad he's well. Very glad.

7th Jul 2005, 11:45

Rob says:

Holy crap I am just watching the news from New Zealand our hearts go out to all UK citizens at this terrible sight-----------(and no we didn't do it to take your minds off the Lions)

7th Jul 2005, 11:46

Shoes says:

Glad you & Tabs ok Alf.....just a few more friends to check on.....

7th Jul 2005, 11:51

razor says:

Motherf*cker!

Hope your ok man.

7th Jul 2005, 11:54

goosewing says:

good to hear you are both ok mate

7th Jul 2005, 11:55

rathgild says:

alfie. I KNOW what it's like to be in the middle of this situation. I lived in Manchester. My flat was on the roof of the Arndale Centre. I walked past the van that blew up about 3/4 hour before the city centre was evacuated. It was a terrifying experience that I would never want to live through it again. Not to mention that I was temporarily homeless because we didn't know if the building was safe, and I couldn't get into work because our office was on the edge of the blast zone. The original comment I made was innappropriate, thought I didn't know that at the time, it would have been more inappropriate to leave it once I knew the context. Again sorry if any offence was caused.

7th Jul 2005, 11:58

alfie says:

"The original comment I made was innappropriate, thought I didn't know that at the time"

exactly, dont worry mate, my bad for assuming you knew.

7th Jul 2005, 12:03

alfie says:

minute by mute timeline of the attacks

here

7th Jul 2005, 12:09

Joe [guest] says:

Attack occurred in the financial district.

Little Eichmanns dying? Cry me a river. This is just chickens coming home to roost.

[mod edit: changed your name so as not to appear that I made the above comment - Joe]

7th Jul 2005, 12:11

bob the dino says:

Good to hear you and your mate are ok.

7th Jul 2005, 12:11

alfie says:

thanks bob, nice to see your name there man.

7th Jul 2005, 12:12

anonymous says:

the pic was taken below ground and transmted

7th Jul 2005, 12:16

BjjPerth says:

I hope they get these people out ok.

7th Jul 2005, 12:17

alexis says:

does anyone know if they're still evacuating the tube/ what the specifics are on that? they're finally done with the "power surge" bit, on the news here, and have talked to some people who've left after being stuck 20+ minutes underground., but I'm not understanding if that's just from one spot or not.

7th Jul 2005, 12:17

alfie says:

thats what the cc is for, Ive had Associated press contactme, as well as an Israeli daily news source.

7th Jul 2005, 12:20

damn!!

7th Jul 2005, 12:20

alfie says:

Alexis, no idea aside from what the news is telling us.

7th Jul 2005, 12:20

daz says:

wow. O_O

7th Jul 2005, 12:21

alfie says:

here is the link for the bbc page with live video :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm
/>
just keep hitting play until it works is the best plan.

7th Jul 2005, 12:23

marke(marke-at-paradise-dot-net-dot-nz) says:

your pic was jut on Sky news

7th Jul 2005, 12:28

Alex(iambigred-at-gmail-dot-com) says:

7th Jul 2005, 12:28

alfie says:

holy crap!

7th Jul 2005, 12:31

Joe says:

nice!

7th Jul 2005, 12:32

pete s says:

Sky News have just used this pic

7th Jul 2005, 12:33

alfie says:

"they gave the credit to Keith :)"
as well they should, mention us?

7th Jul 2005, 12:35

daz says:

/.

7th Jul 2005, 12:52

rathgild says:

the image is now on the sky news website at http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188273,00.html

There are no credits just a note that it is "Passenger's camera photo"

7th Jul 2005, 13:22

daz says:

it's "creative commons", not "commies".

7th Jul 2005, 13:25

Joe says:

h4nne5 thats the license that the image is released under, it's nothing to do with commies.

7th Jul 2005, 13:28

erio says:

C'mon people!! it hurts so much, but we will this war against bloody terrorists..

7th Jul 2005, 13:28

alfie says:

hey H4nnes, the reason was that without it, it would not have been picked up as it has been by traditional news sources, it would have ahd to go through AP, sold etc, this way it is free to use for any organisation, and it is an important image I think.

7th Jul 2005, 13:29

alfie says:

hey LR, the author is in fact Adam Stacey.

7th Jul 2005, 13:32

Lyzardly says:

BBC has picked up the pic here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4659489.stm
/>
With the following quote:
This photo by Adam Stacey is available on the internet and claims to show people trapped on the underground system.

7th Jul 2005, 13:36

Ben says:

I'm watching this in Northern USA. I really hope you all are ok.

7th Jul 2005, 13:37

ali says:

Shalom,

this is bloody petrifying.
I'm watching from the Netherlands and hope you blokes are doing fine,

hope the police catchs the damn terrorists.

7th Jul 2005, 13:43

Ben says:

I just sent this to MSNBC Citizen Journalist reports.

7th Jul 2005, 13:44

meika(mvonsamorzewski-at-yahoo-dot-com) says:

sky news and creative commons and major news story, this will be the story of the pic in future

7th Jul 2005, 13:59

Phil Hibbs(phil-dot-hibbs-at-capgemini-dot-com) says:

Don't worry about us. We'll be fine. Everyone gets their turn at being hit by terrorists, and the important thing is NOT TO LET THEM WIN. Britain is not "burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern and western quarters". Yes, lives have been lost, and yes, it's terrible, but as a nation we will shrug this off and continue to do what we believe is the right thing. We will continue to help the people of Iraq to recover from their years of oppression, which we deeply regret our part in imposing on them many years ago.

7th Jul 2005, 13:59

kel says:

glad to hear you're ok, alf, was really frightening in central london this morning. i'm home ok now too and as far as i know all my mates are either home or in their offices. lots of love.

7th Jul 2005, 14:03

alfie says:

you too Kel, were you on a train?

7th Jul 2005, 14:05

sharon says:

hope you're ok. Saw this pic on livejournal.com/~livejournal_uk It's travelling via email aswell.

7th Jul 2005, 14:10

dean(dean_k-at-hotmail-dot-co-dot-uk) says:

all a bit hectic today isn't it? good you're ok alf.

7th Jul 2005, 14:10

kel says:

long story - was on piccadilly line which terminated at manor house at 0905, was told to get bus to finsbury park and get victoria line... obviously that was closed too, so went back to manor house and got bus towards holborn, which terminated at islington. But instead of telling us to go home, they told us to get on another one - which then stopped on farringdon road. Again, though, instead of saying, right guys, try and go home, they just chucked us off. So i walked down to work and found police turning everyone away. Didn't know what to do except walk home and avoid train stations, so just walked as far as essex road, then managed to get a cab back to turnpike lane. I feel really shocked and really lucky (russell square is the station i use for work.)

I'm really angry that I was allowed to get as far into london as i was though, and i hope that didn't cause people to get hurt.

7th Jul 2005, 14:16

alfie says:

Hey Dean, cheers mate - Im at home with incredibly bad tooth, but I cycle in at any rate. I was initially a little worried about tabby, as she normally cycles but took the train today, right through Kings Cross, but she's fine and in a warm office. SO nice seeing you here mate.

7th Jul 2005, 14:19

Tim McCormack(phyzome[AT]gmail[DOT]com) says:

Alfie, kel, once you feel up to it, any chance you could stop by Wikinews and check to make sure we've got it right?
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Explosions%2C_%27serious_incidents%27_occuring_across_London
/>
We really need some more reporters on this event who were actually involved, not just listening to the radio. If you're not familiar with how wikinews works, just leave some notes on the discussion page, we'll clean 'em up and add them to the article.

I'm glad you made it out okay.

7th Jul 2005, 14:23

alfie says:

"then managed to get a cab back to turnpike lane. "

good, and hey, I didnt know you guys lived just there, I used to be based out there.

"I'm really angry that I was allowed to get as far into london as i was though"

Phoenix said above that at 7.30 in the morning he noticed that all the down escalators had been switched off at a station, who knows what Underground staff and mangers were thinking in the midst of all this.

7th Jul 2005, 14:26

kel says:

yeah, our tube driver told us that 'there is a power surge at king's cross, we don't know how long we'll have to wait at this station, go to finsbury park'

only been living in turnpike lane for a couple of months, boy am I glad i wasn't having to try and get back to croydon...

(Tim - i'll have a look at that, but I'm not sure how much help i'd be)

7th Jul 2005, 14:33

anathemad says:

Just woke up to this. Tears and prayers to everyone effected.

Elf - keep me posted on this side of the Atlantic as to anything that needs doing.

7th Jul 2005, 14:35

Sarah Core(lizabethsc-at-yahoo-dot-com) says:

I've been at work for half an hour in the U.S. (9:30 a.m. EST) and just found this site through Flickr after seeing your photo on BBC and the Guardian. Very impressive for a camera phone image, as well as for you keeping your cool through th experience.
I'm glad to hear that you and your mates made it out of the UG all right and I hope that things clear up soon in London. It's very frightening to be shown how fragile our lives can be, how delicate the skins we wear really are.
The U.S.'s thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.
Sarah

7th Jul 2005, 14:38

alfie says:

Thanks Sarah, just to be clear, this is an image captured by a friend that works with my girlfriend. He was very cool, I think reasoned flight was the order of the day, although there are reports that there are still people trapped on the underground.

7th Jul 2005, 14:40

Euphro says:

This pic is now on the front page of the BBC News web-site.

7th Jul 2005, 14:58

alfie says:

gosh.

7th Jul 2005, 15:05

Rich says:

Man, Moblog first with the news once again. Shame it couldn't be in happier circumstances.

7th Jul 2005, 15:07

Sarah says:

Gosh is right. Thanks for the clarification, Alfie. Either way, glad everyone is all right. :)

7th Jul 2005, 15:08

Sargey says:

My prayers are with all involved in this terrible incident

7th Jul 2005, 15:09

TriniGirl says:

Our Prayers are with you...

7th Jul 2005, 15:48

Sylvia Aitken says:

We in Canada are shocked at the cowardly act against the innocent people of London.. our prayers go out to the families of those who were killed and injured.

7th Jul 2005, 16:11

AlexDJ says:

Sympathies from Madrid, where we can't believe this is happening again...

7th Jul 2005, 16:18

Adrienne S(roodybaby-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

Hearts and thoughts going out to you from Colorado, and thanks to all here for posting information. Helps to know there are ways to connect through all this.

We all are sending thoughts of strength and support your way, and are with you as we watch this unfold.

Be well...

Adrienne

7th Jul 2005, 16:32

kyoob says:

21121 views at 1643, this image definitely stirs something deep inside. Sympathies to all.

7th Jul 2005, 16:36

540air says:

It's a sad day. The only real losers in all of this are the unfortunate people who happened to be going about their daily business when some sick, twisted, evil minded bunch of morons figured they would become martyrs for "the cause". Whatever the f**k that may be.
I hope the people who did this rot in hell.

7th Jul 2005, 16:46

Rodrigo says:

Sad day, indeed, as the days that people live in Iraq and Afghanistan. "El que las hace, las paga"

7th Jul 2005, 17:06

akp says:

:(

Glad the photographer of this got out safely. I have ridden on the Underground in London during my visits there a few years back and can only imagine how horrible it must have been to have them start to fill with smoke.

7th Jul 2005, 17:10

Tori says:

An amazing and disturbing shot. I'm so glad to see the UK folks checking in on their moblogs.

We are thinking of you.

7th Jul 2005, 17:21

sallypnut says:

Sending prayers and hugs to all my UK friends and their families.

Love,
Sara

7th Jul 2005, 17:32

lizziepants says:

cnn is posting our moblog photos. so so glad to hear you're alright alfie, everyone else is accounted for to then?

7th Jul 2005, 17:34

alfie says:

yeah lizzie, everyone cool on my side -what are cnn posting?

7th Jul 2005, 17:51

lizziepants says:

this photo, is one of the ones being shown in the background feed while the anchors are talking -- they've had continual feed all day, but its another source perhaps Sky or BBC they're showing images from, just saw this photo three or four times in the loop.

7th Jul 2005, 17:54

michael says:

This is on NYTimes.com too

7th Jul 2005, 18:17

José Cruz(josecruzeicdstp-at-netcabo-dot-pt) says:

I'm sad. I love London. The best from Lisbon.

7th Jul 2005, 18:45

Thiago Pedrosa(http://terreiro-dot-net) says:

I think this photo was taken on the same train (same person?)
http://www.buzznet.com/buzzwords/london/?id=1397830

7th Jul 2005, 18:59

alfie says:

no, the one adam was on managed to make it into a station, I believe the above is from the aldgate train.

7th Jul 2005, 19:00

Putiki11 says:

Nous sommes de tout coeur avec vous ! Par la pensée et nous sommes révulsés par l'horreur de tels actes !
Courage !
Amicalement ...de Tahiti

7th Jul 2005, 19:28

paula says:

Alfie - you rock, this is such an important image as it brings home the horror of an underground attack and highlights the importance of recognising that everyone can define the news. You also rock cos you released it under CC so that the world could see it.
So relieved everyone is OK.

Paula Le Dieu
london CCi staffer watching in horror from New York.

7th Jul 2005, 19:52

Brittany says:

First the US and now London. Its so gay. I dont see how somebody could do this and not have any consequences. Less than 100 years from now the whole world is going to be screwed because of dumb people like them.

7th Jul 2005, 19:56

Sophie says:


LOVE FROM MADRID!!!!

7th Jul 2005, 19:58

Brittany says:

Much love from USA! I love London and I was born there! Love yall so much

7th Jul 2005, 19:59

Erwin(e-dot-poelman-at-planet-dot-nl) says:

Also love from Holland, support eachother, and i hope there be a pay back time!

7th Jul 2005, 20:08

lizziepants says:

Yesterday while in the supermarket, I was shopping for foods, veggies, etc -- anyhow -- got up the line to checkout and there was a huge wait. There was an angry looking middleaged white man with an overflowing basket of food grumbling under his breath about the store and "why don't they open another line, Americans are waiting in line!!" very hostile. He was making everyone pretty anxious -- then a young black girl appeared kinda close to where I was standing in line waiting, with a baby on her hip and two items in her hand, milk and diapers. I offered her to go ahead of me and from behind the angry man began shouting.

"You're what's wrong with the world, goddamned American always letting foreigners cut in line, first it's the blacks, then its the Muslims, next it'll be the Orientals..." he went on, and on and on. The girls baby began to cry and I was just about to say something to him when a guy in the next line over in army fatigues spoke up.

"No, you're what's wrong with the world, bigotry and hatred and complete ignorance, you're who causes wars and hate, you should be ashamed of yourself."

I don't think the old man said another word, in fact, everything was silent. I know this incident yesterday fails in comparison to the magnitude of today's events in London, but I can't help think that if everyone took a moment to realize how precious life is and just love eachother, tragedies such as this would never happen. I know it's a far fetched wish -- I just don't know what else to say.

I don't know who's right or wrong in this whole war.. all the deaths and horror seem to outweigh the possibility of real peace, for me, anyway. I just wish the aggressors would stop harming innocent people, on both sides.

7th Jul 2005, 20:34

chronicsmoker420247 says:

damn im sorry uk i was in NYC when the WTC got hit and i feel for you all

7th Jul 2005, 20:35

chronicsmoker420247 says:

smoke Ls every day to keep the pain away 1 love United Kindom

7th Jul 2005, 20:37

chronicsmoker420247 says:

Much Love from GREENWICH CT

7th Jul 2005, 20:39

stephen thomas(nipdg-at-netscape-dot-net) says:

we should not have to live like this our familys thought wars for freedom and peace and it all seems to be falling apart god bless britain and the people caught up in these spineless attacks.

7th Jul 2005, 21:16

nipper says:

i am watching the news now i am disgusted that this should happen we have a army to protect us but they are everywhere else in the world protecting others and the people they are trying to protect are over here killing us what is going on is this ever going to stop. why the people who work in london are keeping the world running the leaders are protected well leaders listen to this the public will not put up with this 4 ever DO SOMETHING!

7th Jul 2005, 21:31

ookiine says:

I hope all of you in the UK and London especially are all safe & OK!

7th Jul 2005, 21:34

greg(gregl_19-at-yahoo-dot-com) says:

I feel for all of our brothers and sisters from the UK. Man it sure brings back memories of 9-11. But I know that the British have the same resolve that the Americans have. And I know that they will rise above and be a stronger people because of this. God bless you all from Alabama, USA.

7th Jul 2005, 22:02

andrea says:

my best friend is in london for a trip.. i pray shes okay .. her name is meghann she is korean

7th Jul 2005, 22:09

NIPPER says:

I think the goverment needs to think about paying our emergency services more and think about housing them closer to work for this reason.If people come to this coumtry and cannot prove who they are and what criminal history they may have then they should be sent straight home they dont even know where these people are they come here then disapear to cause havoc on our country its despicable this should be happening this day and age the people respnsible probably have a free pass to travel on london transport while the people who pay to travel to work who pay taxes which fund these bus passes get blown up by them its NOT FAIR.my heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragic event

7th Jul 2005, 22:30

Joe says:

You are entitled to your opinion nipper, but I disagree, this is nothing to do with race, or ethnicity, this is about religious extremism.
I'm proud to live in a country where people are accepted regardless of where in the world they were born, or what colour their skin is.
The minority should not be allowed to jade your opinion of the majority.

7th Jul 2005, 23:06

daz says:

Joe: ^5 :)

7th Jul 2005, 23:10

Donato (Brazil) says:

Friends, God bless you all!
I feel for all of London....
I think PEACE is the right word for this moment for all you...don´t think in revenge....

7th Jul 2005, 23:20

Will Maltby(maltby_wl-at-yahoo-dot-co-dot-uk) says:

PWNED!

8th Jul 2005, 01:07

Rachel says:

I'm watching this in the U.S. too. It's almost on every channel. It looks really bad and I hope all you guys are ok.

8th Jul 2005, 01:56

chicagob says:

God bless you guys in the UK - be safe.

Chicago

8th Jul 2005, 02:01

us.anon says:

hope everyone is ok ... god bless
dont let this bring anyone down
they will get what's coming....

8th Jul 2005, 02:35

Frank says:

America Stands Behind You!!

8th Jul 2005, 02:41

alfie says:

Dont stand too close, we're funny about all that us Brits.

but thanks for the sentiment,

8th Jul 2005, 02:44

mondo says:

What do you think the chances are that one man, Rudi Giuliani, could be only a block away from BOTH the 9-11 AND London attacks? Methinks I'd have better odds winning the lottery.

8th Jul 2005, 03:37

alfie says:

good point - Im gonna find him and ask him to fill out a lottery form for me, thanks for the idea ;)

8th Jul 2005, 03:38

i bet Rudi Giuliani would participate: we re not afraid.com

8th Jul 2005, 05:29

Iam Serious(iamsurelyserious-at-gmail-dot-com) says:

STOP BOMBING. GRAFFITI. TRAINS. SKYSCRAPERS.

STOP ALL BOMBING.

GRAFFITTI WRITERS: A MORATORIUM ON BOMBING. ALL GRAFFITI WRITERS: NO BOMBING. NO MORE GRAFFITI. NO ART UNTIL EVERYONE COMES TO THEIR SENSES. NO OUTWARD EXPRESSION OF CREATIVITY. NO FOOD FOR THE MASSES. ART IS PLENTIFUL. PEOPLE ARE UNGRATEFUL.

World GIANT / WG

8th Jul 2005, 05:42

steve says:

oz sits behind you mofos too.

someone sure needs to take the jihad to the extremists.

8th Jul 2005, 05:52

Ty says:

Just wanted to express sympathy to all the Londeners. Our prayers and hearts are with you from the U.S.

8th Jul 2005, 06:55

da(k_ci_babe-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

express sympathy to all the uk, from australia

8th Jul 2005, 07:28

canadaman says:

we're heading your way for a family visit in 4 days. We won't let the terrorist knobs run our lives.

8th Jul 2005, 07:29

jo says:

kill the terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8th Jul 2005, 07:31

glintwein says:

my condolences.((

8th Jul 2005, 09:07

Jayno(jayneljohnston-at-aol-dot-com) says:

Just saw your pic on an Aussie news website and followed the link here.

My thoughts and best wishes are with all those effected.

Sending loads of Aussie love xxxx

8th Jul 2005, 09:31

will(willcurtis22-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

please leave a tribute on my website 4 the many people who died www.willcurtis.piczo.com and leave ur thoughts

8th Jul 2005, 10:24

PK says:

Best wishes from Honolulu.

8th Jul 2005, 10:36

Bertil from The Netherlands says:

i wish you all the best ...i'm speechless.

8th Jul 2005, 10:42

Christopher from Austria says:

Wish you all the best, our prayers will remember all those victims
greetings from Austria

8th Jul 2005, 11:43

Mike from Boston MA says:

Thoughts are with us all from Boston. We have a long battle to fight.

8th Jul 2005, 11:45

Rich says:

Perhaps if the American government stopped behaving in such a thoughtless, imperialist and racist way the battle would be that much shorter.

ALL this is AMERICA'S fault. ALL OF IT.

8th Jul 2005, 11:51

Gracey Black says:

You are so out of line. You have not called this one correctly. America did not invent racism or imperialism not are we the only country perpetuating any of the isms your site has accused us of doing. Look at the brouhahha over Prince Rainier biracial grandson. All we hear across the pond is that this child is muddying up the bloodline of the dynasty. All of Europe is racis. Period, including jolly ole England. What hypocricy!

8th Jul 2005, 12:02

540air says:

"ALL this is AMERICA'S fault. ALL OF IT"

Rich: Don't mean to offend you but in my opinion that's a fairly racist staement in itself. You can't blame all of America just because you don't like their government. That isn't the way to get people sitting down together to discuss their differences. All it does is knocks down bridges and widens any gaps that are already there.

8th Jul 2005, 12:09

Gracey Black says:

I agree whoeheartedly w/540air: calmer heads should and must prevail in times of turmoil. Besides the bloodshed of innocent human beings, one of the aims of terrorist is the age-old strategy of diviide and conquer. There is no reason to take the bait. If possible, England should enlist the financial help of all the countries that will participate in the Olympics 2012 events. Condolences to all the bereaved families.

8th Jul 2005, 12:20

Rich says:

I can blame the American government though, which is what I was doing. My American friends are all wonderful, blameless human beings who happen to live in a country which has employed genocide as a tool of foreign policy for over 50 years. You can get all touchy-feely spacktard "hey let's not play the blame game" if that makes you feel better but that doesn't change the facts. America created Al Qaida, America armed Saddam Hussain, America has blindly supported Israel in it's oppression
of Palestine, etc etc etc. And that's before we get onto South America, the far east....

I was being slightly overzealous though, I will admit. Britain has done more than it's fair share to earn the enmity of the middle east. So it's more accurately a 70/30 split on the blame front.

8th Jul 2005, 12:47

Wish says:

we wish you all the best ... greets from austria!

8th Jul 2005, 13:03

Whit says:

Rich - that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is a shame that you can look at this devestation caused by awful people and not put the full blame on the people who actually did it. Be careful before your reasoning becomes as twisted as the sick people who did this!!

8th Jul 2005, 13:05

Euphro says:

This has just topped Domo-pod for the most-viewed Moblog post.

8th Jul 2005, 13:08

tim says:

Rich,
As a 9/11 survivor I find it offensive for you to blame America. I think you may want to study a little about British history. The seeds of this anger may go back to the period of English colonialism. Remember "the sun never set on the British Empire". As for the citizens of the United Kingdom, I will keep them in my prayers. I understand their pain. I hope that all those that lost love ones at the hands of these cowardly individuals will find peace one day.

8th Jul 2005, 13:08

Rich says:

Did you actually read what I said? How I blamed us too? And as a 9/11 survivor why don't you go and read a little bit more about America's recent history? Then you might understand a little about the reason WHY you got attacked rather than just "they the bad men, we gon 'tack them good"


Whatever, I just get sick of all the jingoistic bullcrap "Oh, we must beat these evil people who are evil because they're evil and we're totally blameless, blah blah blah."

8th Jul 2005, 13:23

Nauticos from Toronto says:

Our hearts go out to you Londoners and the rest of the UK!
And to Gracey Black, Whit and others I have this to say: the sooner you stop talking to that vile creep Rich, the sooner it will crawl back under its rock!

8th Jul 2005, 13:31

Tim says:

One last comment to Rich. If it weren't for America's recent history, you'd be speaking German. Have a good day

8th Jul 2005, 13:52

540air says:

Rich,
The comment made ending with "70/30 blame split" I would tend to agree with. My point was that as you mentioned you were being a bit over zealous.
The US and UK govs have a lot to answer for but the vast majority of US & UK citizens are normal blameless people who get sh*t on from a great height.

[edit]
The "It's all America's" fault comment just invites the jingoistic comments that have been appearing since.

8th Jul 2005, 14:17

olu says:

very dreadful day..the offenders must be brought to justice

8th Jul 2005, 14:19

James says:

Wow - amazing how a weblog of such warm well-wishers from across the globe can turn so angry in a split second. The answer, of course, is you're both right. Al Qaida was created as a direct response to American foreign policy - and there's no question there as Bin Laden has said this over and over again.

Of course there's racism in Europe - there's racism in America - there's racism everywhere - and it's usually caused by sheer ignorance. People don't like what they don't understand.

What the global community has a hard time understanding, though, is America's recent foreign policy maneuvers. Going after Al Queda after 911 made sense, going after the Taliban in Afganistan made sense since that was where a lot of Al Quaida resources were - but where the heck did invading Iraq come from? They had nothing to so with Al Quaida or 911, had no weapons of mass distruction, and the US actually diverted resources away from the war on terrorism to go after Sadam. It kind of leaves the world scratching its head.

Invading Iraq was probably the best gift George Bush could ever give Al Quaida as they now have another foreign policy reason to continue to go after the West since Iraq was an Islamic state. And lets not forget that the UK was strongly shoulder to shoulder with the US in this little foray into Iraq. We reap what we sow...

8th Jul 2005, 14:34

Rich says:

Oh fuck off Tim, why is it Americans always roll that one out when they feel they have to win an argument? Entering a war several years late after continuing an economic relationship with Nazi Germany, yeah, you go right ahead and feel proud about that bucko.

I'm ending this conversation now, because it's only going to get stupid and there's no way anything useful will come out of this cross atlantic dickwaving.
540air, apologies if I offended you, but it's been incredibly frustrating having to live with nearly 4 years of vile neocon rhetoric and masturbatory expressions of grief over an event, while shocking and unique and terrible, is a mere drop in the ocean compared to what we in the west have visited on the rest of the world.

What was it Malcolm X said about chickens and their roosting habits?

8th Jul 2005, 14:37

Sabrina (sabricqc-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

On t.v. we (the argentinies) watch the same images all the time. We need yours comments, thanks for that.

8th Jul 2005, 14:52

Gracey Black says:

As an American. I am deeply offended by some of the statements on this site. We do not share the blame in this tragedy...not 70% not even .05% Our foreign policies are not responsible for terrorist taking innocent lives. Please make me understand your position. Uhhh talk to me as if I was 9 or 10. Expand on your logic...Explain how our policies promoted this tragedy. I am waiting.....You know what you will never explain to my satisfaction. Never. you Rich are an asshole.

8th Jul 2005, 15:03

spiritbased says:

The only people responsible for yesterday's atrocities are the maniacs who detonated the bombs.

Let's have a little more mutual support for civilians who have been turned into frontline soldiers by godless idiots.

8th Jul 2005, 15:03

Tom says:

As an american, I am upset that people make generalizations about what Britains or Americans believe.

8th Jul 2005, 15:21

Rich says:

As a human, I think we all deserve to be bombed hard, in the face.

8th Jul 2005, 15:23

dervla says:

why on earth does it matter what nationality we are? The point is, we were all saddened by this tragedy and we are all thinking of those directly and personally affected.

8th Jul 2005, 15:26

Gracey Black says:

Dude:
If you have taken offense at me calling a fellow-Brit a bad name. Bygones. The logic of some of the posting is illogical childish/unintelligible/archaic and downright mean spirited,,,Really, I am being kind in assessing this dialogue. .What right-thinking person believes that anyone 'cept the pepertrators of this tragedyn are responsible for this tragedy. ???

8th Jul 2005, 15:27

daz says:

I'm gone for 6 hours and you start a flame war. Please kids, let's all play nice, shall we?

8th Jul 2005, 15:30

michael says:

52412 views at 10.54 EDT. Congratulations on the popularity of this photo. I'm here through a link in the NYT. As an American, I want to extend my sympathies and sorrow for what happened yesterday. As an American, I would also like to extend my aplogies for the behaviors of other Americans on this message board, who can't seem to move beyond a US-centric world view.
May you find healing, and peace.

8th Jul 2005, 15:49

Noelia(noelia_malla-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

Hi, I'm talking from Madrid. You have all our support and prayers.

8th Jul 2005, 15:50

GABBY says:

From South America, hearts and thoughts going out to you from Buenos Aires!

8th Jul 2005, 15:57

Gracey Black says:

Dude,
This is my last comment of the day.This is an interesting site; I will return this evening. If terrorist sincerely believe that Americans et al are responsible for their plight and as a result of that belief, embark on a Holy War to avenge their wrongdoers (Americans and Brits) by sensless bombings. The fact that the terrorist sincerely believe this does not make that belief true/correct or accurate.The belief in something that has no basis in fact or reality makes the terrorist actions sincere, and their beliefs sincere...sincerely wrong. Let us not concede one iota to this kind of logic...to do so perpetuates the belief that we are responsible for yesterday's event. Also, why fight against and support a war on terrorism if we are responsible in any manner? Let freedom ring.

8th Jul 2005, 16:09

ddd says:

ddd

8th Jul 2005, 16:11

jess says:

Gracey: I'm concerned that the extremists' beliefs are rooted in our countries histories, i.e. the creation of the Israeli state, et al. I'm 21, American and I agree that our generation absolutely does not deserve this, but it is our responsibility to know the history that has led to where we are now. I don't think one can fight terrorism by dismissing something they obviously believe in more fanatically than most things you or I believe in. What's gone on in Iraq should be a lesson (that we should have known from Vietnam, duh): you can't bully people to make them agree with you.

8th Jul 2005, 16:54

Rich says:

Hhhm. The trouble with that kind of logic, Gracey, is that it's just the unstoppable force meeting immovable object problem. If we're just going to see them as The Bad Guys and us as The Good Guys then we're just going to be stuck in this cycle of violence forever. The West has helped to create this situation, like it or not. That does not excuse their actions, it is merely an attempt to create a context in which we can understand them and try and find a solution - somewhat more useful that "We're right and they're evil, shooting them will solve the problem"

Of course, if Bush Senior hadn't been such an abject coward back in the first gulf war and had continued to support the Iraqi and Kurdish rebels instead of withdrawing the mighty US military and letting them get massacred by the Republican Guard then he wouldn't have had to rig elections to get his idiot son to finish the job for him, who knows how different the world might have been?

8th Jul 2005, 16:59

bobby(bobbysite_2000-at-yahoo-dot-com) says:

Londoneers, rest assured that our prayers are with you...be well in God´s speed...mexico.

8th Jul 2005, 17:06

Chuck says:

See what Bush started.

8th Jul 2005, 17:11

John says:

Did Bush start 9/11? No.

(btw- I do not think the iraq war was a good move. Afghanistan/taliban/al-qaeda was and is the noble fight)

You can trace the fanaticism all the way back to creation of Israel or even beyond that.

If you don't blame the terrorist fanatics then who?

You could fill an entire page with world leaders names going back decades who have pissed these lunatics off.

I don't think anything we do (or do not do) will ever make the true fanatics happy. It seems to be their 'job' to elevate themselves by creating hatred any way they can.

If you remove one excuse they will find another to 'justify' their 'cause'.

I honestly believe they would not know what to do with themselves to 'validate' their existence if they did not seek to destroy all that which they dislike.

8th Jul 2005, 19:42

autumncat says:

This photo & Moblog was just mentioned on MSNBC. The person being interviewed was asked what photo from people on the street in London struck a chord the most.

Love and support from the US - & PA>

8th Jul 2005, 19:51

BAKUNZI(bakunzi-at-msn-dot-com) says:

To my fellow Londoner, (even thought i now live in chicago) we must stay vigilant and strong. Despite all the positive, negative and intereting comments on this site (which is amazing) it seems politics, religion and peoples world view will always be violent, rude, endearing and in the case of fundamentalists, downright fatal and destructive. if indeed USA and Uk's foreign policies have created this incident and 9/11 and others like it then we are all in danger! Let us find solutions and help one another in our own way

8th Jul 2005, 19:56

Brandi says:

I am from the U.S. I have read the comments posted on this site and I just wanted to say I do not think that anyones nationality should have anything to do with this horrible tragedy. We are all the same in God's eyes. Instead of lashing out words of hatred and blame we should all pull together and be strong for all the ones affected by this incident. We do not understand reasoning behind actions such as these but I know that even troublesome times have reasoning. Look to God and have faith He will bring us through. Some question God as to why He would allow something like this to happen but remember, He also gave His only son to save US ALL! Praise and Glory be to God-our prayers are with you all. Deepest Sympathy from the United States.

8th Jul 2005, 20:39

JR says:

As a US citizen it is very sad to see what happened in London. I live right on the outskirts of New York city. The reality that day is these terrorists killed over 3,000 people from all over the world. It was the worst thing I have ever seen by far. People tend to forget things but those who saw these events never will. They turned the largest financial district in the world a ghost town. I know I was there. I know people who were lost that day. The world and maybe are foreign policies sometimes are not perfect. But the fact is both of our countries pour out to other countries in need as much as we can. It is sad that these terrorists believe that causing destruction and murder further their religious cause. They teach their children this. The day the trade centers went down people in afghanistan and Iraq were dancing. That is sick. These people are cowards. I thought alot since 9/11 whether so much loss of life is worth it. If we back out now the terrorists have dictated that there actions will make us stop in our countries search for peace and freedom in this world. More countries must follow in our footsteps and put an end to terrorism and nuclear threats in this world. God bless us all and all those who have been lost. May peace prevail in the end.

8th Jul 2005, 20:43

will says:

i feel 4youz londoners......i hate these brainless ppl badly...&2rathgild that was talkin shit earlier...if u had half a brain u would understand wot iz hapning...dickhead...&thats; being nice2u calling u that simpleton

8th Jul 2005, 21:03

Jill says:

WOW, I just read this whole sight and I am saddened how it has turned out. Being an American, I am lucky that what has happened in London and on 9/11 isn't a daily occurence, but in some peoples lives this is their norm. How you can blame the Us or UK?For this is ridiculous. We have the ability to help people and we should. I didn't vote for Bush... I HATE the fact that he runs our country. And almost 50% of the US would back me on that. He manipulated what happened on 9/11 to go into Iraq. I know that the Iraqi people need help but for him to use that as a reason to go in is Bullshit. I sitll don't understand. Bin Ladin was in Afghanastan and what did Bush do? He sent maybe 10% off the troops there and the rest to Iraq for these so called WOMD... more like OIL!!!! I am going to stop right now because it just upsets me that there are people on here blaming the innocent people that have no control over this. I didn't vote for Bush and his daddy's buddies to run our government, that was the republican big wigs that didn't want to loose a bit of money. So Sad!
On a more important note... I am thinking of everyone in the UK and pray for your safety. Jill -Ohio

8th Jul 2005, 21:33

bronxelf says:

Rich-

Buddy, I know you didnt mean that the way it came out. I know you didn't. Just a reminder though-- that fully 50% of the US *did not* vote Dumbass into power(and we sure as shit didn't vote him INTO power the first time.)-- we probably hate him far more than you do. In NYC, 80% (you ever know someone to win 80% of the vote, for anything?) voted *against* him (and really, that's what it was-- voting AGAINST him, not *for* Kerry.)

On election day this past November, people openly wept in Union Square when the results came in. This is not the mark of a popular guy, beloved by all. Please remember that the news you see, the images you get, the sound bites that you hear are *NOT* representative of fully *half* of the US and they *certainly* don't represent the views of the people of the CIty of New York.

Now go have a Devil Dog. :D

xo

8th Jul 2005, 21:49

JR says:

For all those people who blame it on Bush. Wake up people. Bin Laden himself made a push for Kerry. Ask yourselves why. Cause he was dictating what he wanted. A president that would give in. Right now he is hiding in a cold ass cave somewhere. Under President Clinton the US decreased its military strength that will not happen again under Bush watch. All I know the US has been safe since 9/11. I am sorry for the people of London. Right now terrorists are working out of Iraq. 9/11 can happen again people. Our Nations must come together and put a stop to terrorism.

8th Jul 2005, 22:12

Frederick Jenkins says:

Rich-

You can say that "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys" depends on your point of view. But -- "we" (you and me and most everyone) do NOT go around blowing people up, while "they" DO. It's kind of difficult to see how that makes "them" the Good Guys and "us" the Bad Guys".

Fred J.

8th Jul 2005, 22:16

anonymous says:

Bronxelf

First my sincerest condolences to the people of London.

Buddy – Just to remind you the numbers were 51 / 49 FOR “the idiot” in 2004. You democrats hang on to 2000 as a stolen election simply because the count, re-count, and re-count in FL did not come out in your favor. He got more popular votes than your boy Bill ever did and the Electoral College is in place to prevent the East & “Left” Coasts from electing the President. The EC has and will always represent the clear, majority intent of our country. You and the rest of the World Get Over It.

8th Jul 2005, 22:21

bronxelf says:

First of all, Im not a democrat. Sorry to negate your point like that but it's true. Nice assumption, though. And statistically speaking that margin is pretty damned thin.

It also does not change the results in the City of New York, which voted against Bush by a a margin of 80%-- that rather makes the statistically less than 2% seem a bit paltry to me, really, considering the bombings happened here and not in the middle of a "red" state.



8th Jul 2005, 22:23

JR says:

Rich, your psudo-intellectual opinion on US policy is typical euro trash babble. Im sure your grandfather didnt question US policy in the 40's when my grandfather had to come across the pond to save his ass.
To listen to opinion on world politics from the people who invented imperialism and have opressed everyone from india to South africa is insulting.We have no respect for people who live under the security provided yoe by our friendship and then questions the manner in which we provde it. And dont complain that Americans always play the WWII card, although it may be overused it is still very true.
P.S. Get off the computer and go have your teeth fixed.

8th Jul 2005, 22:25

MR (anonymous) says:

bronxelf,

Glad to hear it. BTW – you just proved my point(s) Popular vote is popular but meaningless. The East Coast / NYC Democrat bloc vote hates GW – not a surprise and who cares.

I am offended (not that you should have known this) that because I live in a “red” state and not in NYC that I was not affected by 9/11. I lost family there. Nice assumption, though.

8th Jul 2005, 22:43

Jody(jodyborn3-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

This blog was on USA tv "MSNBC" Here you go
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1111/msnbc5lq.jpg

8th Jul 2005, 22:46

Samantha says:

As an American - I'm so ashamed. Don't pollute this site with your election drivel. Blue State, Red State, WHO CARES. England suffered a tragedy! Have some RESPECT!

Still sad............

8th Jul 2005, 22:54

W.V.O. Quine says:

I detest the kind of blamestorming that is happening here, but what the heck...

I blame all you dogmatic, superstitious, fairy-tale-believing nincompoops out there for the recent violence (terroristic *and* nationally-sanctioned).

Christians, Muslims, Shintoists, Scientologists, etc....YES, I mean ALL of you.

When will we just admit to being animals with brains that have evolved a consciousness of our consciousness (a dog is aware, but isn't aware that he is aware...we are)?

This Consciousness has brought with it such amazing things (art, music...oral sex), but also such crap (racism, superiority complexes...EGOS!).

When we embrace our true nature, we let go of the dogmas that drive racism, jingoism, classism, etc.

(We'll still be violent -- as animals are -- but that violence will center on reasonable things, like defending against immediate threats to our territory).

I think Stevie said it best:
"When you believe in things that you don’t understand, Then you suffer, Superstition ain’t the way."

8th Jul 2005, 22:56

bronxelf says:

MR--
*sigh*
Let me guess.

You think Im a republican.

I'm not.


I believe the difference, at this point(it was not always so) between *both* of therse political parties is about > < . BOTH parties seek to force a set of values down the throat of the citizens of the nation. The only difference is which ones they are. My objection is to the forcing in the first place, since I think government has no place in our personal lives, religious institutions, bodies or wallets.

Also, Im sorry that my comments were misiinterpreted. I did not assume you lived in a red state. My point, which I'll clarify, is that I find it telling that even after the bombings and everything thereafter that NYC *still* voted against Bush by a margin of 80%. I did not even give the remotest thought to you being in a red state. The only assumption I *did* make was that you did not live within the limits of the City fo New York, which is apparently, true.

Also, not only democrats hate him. I know more than a few republicans who dislike him intensely as well and didn't vote for him. For the record, I didn't vote for him either, but not because I find Kerry to be so interesting (I dont think he has enough of a personality to like *OR* dislike, really.)

As to who cares, well, *I* do. I find it *deeply* offensive that this city and what happened here get trotted out like a circus freak show every time a political party who, for all intents and purposes hates us and all we stand for (value wise) to further their own political aims, whether they be legitimate or not.

As you so aptly noted, I had no way of knowing you lost family here, and I certainly did not mean to suggest you were unaffected-- merely that you do not live here.

My sincerest condolences on your loss.

8th Jul 2005, 23:00

bronxelf says:

Samantha--

This began as a comment on my part to remind *a friend of mine* that the US government != the citizens of the US.

Sorry people grabbed it from there.

8th Jul 2005, 23:09

Steve says:

You turn your back for 5 minutes and this happens! is it a school holiday at the moment? cause a lot of kids seemed to be typing.

8th Jul 2005, 23:12

mari says:

I was scrolling down through all of this and thinking it really sucked that some people were sending out so much hate against Americans, feeling misunderstood and thinking that once again the world sees us as a much uglier people than we actually are. Then I came upon Bronxelf rightly explaining to these writers that our government’s policies are not a reflection of us as a people (at least not all of us). With our national image currently highjacked by a cowboy and his oil-thirsty friends, it was incredibly refreshing to see someone sharing the message that we’re not all colonialist pig-headed bastards, and managing to do it in a good-natured, semi-humorous, sincere and nonconfrontational way.

However, just when I was happy that one of us from the states was being courteous and reasonable, and not making a pompous spectacle of themselves in an international forum, several others made incredibly condescending and vitriolic comments. The ignorance and purposefully inflammatory nature of these posts was insulting and I don’t care what color state you’re from or whether you’re from the states at all, we all know that the only way to earn the respect of other human beings is to treat them with that same respect. So let’s all cut out the defensive accusations and have some empathy for our fellow humans, whether they’re British, Iraqi, American or whatever.

Sorry people of London for the hateful violence that happened to you yesterday. Best wishes to you all.

8th Jul 2005, 23:31

Carl says:

Anyone that blames the US for what happened in London is a fool.
If it weren't for the US giving money to every other fucking country, this world would be a much bigger mess than it already is.
All you people bitching and complaining about the US, stop taking our money! But noooo, every fucking country has their hands out willing to take our cash but complains about what we do.
Well guess what? We don't care what the fuck you think. We are going to do what WE think is right because after all, we pay for everything. anybody that don't like it, then work hard and get your own country to become a superpower, then you can bitch all you want.
The MiddleEast is all screwed up, long before we got there, now we are the ONLY ones that can fix it because we have the resources and money that WE earned, not by getting handouts from others.
Bottom line is, if you don't like what the US is doing, then too bad!

8th Jul 2005, 23:45

bronxelf, on boingo says:

mari-

thank you. : )
As I said. rich is a friend of mine and it was intended as a good natured reminder. I did not intend for it to become a "your boy Bill," under the assumption that I was a democrat, or the "glad to hear it" upon my making that correction , under the equally incorrect assumption that i'm a republican.

the fact is, that I am a native of the City of New York, and I have *incredible* empathy for both my friends and those I do not know in London and in the UK in general. Their crime was riding the tube and going to work. in fact, I am typing this from a NYC subway train right now.

innocent lives have been lost as the result of an act of cowardice.
my only intent was to remind my friend that the US government does not represent the views of about half this nation, and in specific, the views of the people of the City of New York. I'm sorry it became about something else.

9th Jul 2005, 00:09

Steve says:

Carl you can get a new keyboard very cheaply theses days, one without a defective caps lock.

Also, books are not just to be used to fix wonkey tables.

Hope this is of some use

9th Jul 2005, 00:18

JR says:

I was born in Manhattan and as a child I remember going past the twin towers and looking at them in great awe. As I got older I realized that these towers represented the melting pot known as New York City. People from all nations came here many to have a better way of life. The day these towers were destroyed this city was devastated. This awesome structure toppled down to the ground killing thousands. This war is not about oil for if it was people in NY know we would have cheaper gas prices. We are in demand for oil right now. My sympathy first and foremost goes to families affected by the explosions in London. I am not political at all but I am tired of many liberals which to my embarassment live in New York City and have the nerve to speak out against this war. In history democracy and freedom have come with a price. I am a firefighter and one of my best friends is a navy seal in Afghanistan. I pray for them all the time. But what kills me most is that most of these yuppy rich liberal folk continue to have a good way of life while my friend is risking his life to protect and keep safe this country while we enjoy a way of life that does not exist in many places in this world. If people don't like it than get the hell out of the US and move to France. Peace can be achieved but we need countries that have the balls to accomplish it like the UK.

9th Jul 2005, 00:43

mari says:

Bronxelf-

It’s great to read exchanges between friends that can differ in opinions and still be friends. It’s gotta be a pain to have all the righteously indignant on every side of the equation butting in on a conversation that was never intended to spiral into knee-jerk ranting and raving . (^_^) I’m just as guilty as the rest though for getting worked up about the comments of some that were obviously designed to evoke an emotional response.

Hope all your friends are safe. Thanks for sharing your perspective on all of this with such grace!

Aside to Alfie – I really loved your we are not afraid pic. It’s awesome to show defiance and strength without calling for revenge or hatred

9th Jul 2005, 00:47

tribeca, new york USA says:

My heart is torn to shreds just thinking about the grief and the sadness that the families have to endure. Last night, I sat with and comforted a good friend, who eventually had to be taken to hospital for sedation upon hearing that her childhood friend was one of the innocent victimes killed in this tragedy. I have never heard anyone scream so loud.... Why? Why? Why? Please do not forget about the victims and their families.

9th Jul 2005, 02:31

Sean Inggs says:

Alfie thank you for this blog. I'm living in London as well and slept in on that Thursday, didn't head in like planned, thank god. Was woken to the helicopters, police sirens and text messages waiting for me asking if I'm alright. My thoughts are with those that have lost loved ones and friends. I'm glad to see how London has pulled together and not let this get them down though. Terror will not win here. Our love and hope is too great, terror can't take that away, never will. I thank god that my friends are alive and unhurt (a small few though that I'm still waiting to hear on). May those responsible be dealt with, with the most extreme force and their networks taken out. Those that perform acts like these have a short life ahead, just darkness waiting for them on the other side. We love you London. We strong.

9th Jul 2005, 03:58

suan says:

I'd like to remind everyone that 1.George Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000 and 2. it is suspected that through the interferance of Diebold voting machines, he "stole" the election in 04. It is also an unfortunate fact that the U.S. is full of emotional plague ridden folks who do behave like bad parents. They scold "when you're in my house you will follow my rules" ie "we have the money you do what we say and if you don't like it...tough".They have the "emotional plague" and foremost among them is Mr. Bush, a "dry drunk" running the country like a mad man on an emotional bender. This is unfortunate for the U.S. and unfortunate for the world. These guys are just uncouth. But, I am sure that you have your own versions in Britain.

9th Jul 2005, 04:15

ROBERTO B.(beto_borba-at-ibest-dot-com-dot-br) says:

AFTER ALL THIS I STILL MISS LONDON SO MUCH & WISH TO GO BACK SOME DAY. GREETINGS & STRENGTH TO ENGLISH PEOLPLE FROM BRAZIL!!!

9th Jul 2005, 04:26

suan says:

actually JR bin Laden "pushed" for Kerry because he knew all the yahoos would vote for Bush! Let's face it bin Laden is lots smarter than Mr. Bush. He thinks outside the box. I do not however, hold the U.S.A. responsible for terrorists. That's like holding a girl in a short skirt responsible for her rape. After all she "deserved" it. And don't forget, China destroyed Tibet, the Hutus massacred Tutsis, Pol Pot did his own dance, the Soviets destroyed the Eastern bloc nations and Stalin himself murdered, they say, about 20 million, Gengis Khan left mountains of skulls outside Bagdad, Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds, maybe with stuff he got from the U.S., the Belgians went nuts in the Congo, the Dutch destroyed Indonesia and the list goes on. Don't for one moment think that a government run by religious fanatics, remember the Taliban?, would be any more righteous than one run by republicans.

Any way, keep on keepin on you guys, as they say...

9th Jul 2005, 04:34

ROBERTO B. says:

Sorry for the mistake PEOPLE.
In time: let's stop all fight!!!

9th Jul 2005, 04:40

anonymous says:

Guys... why is it that everytime one of the groups of people that has stood by us gets hurt that we all start spitting nails? It ashames me that people of America can sit here and bite each others heads off when one of our most loyal nations has just went through such a tragedy.... (btw... NOT all americans decided to vote against GW.... some actually voted against abortion... but i'm not on here to discuss that....) We should ALL be thanking God for having each other to argue with..... and as for all you history literate want to be's (no offense intended) maybe you should take this quote seriously.... "A person will never know where he is going... unless he knows where he has been" Anywho.... London.... Love and Prayers being sent yalls way from Benndale, Mississippi.... Stay strong guys... Trials and tribulations will come before the "seas" are calmed.....

9th Jul 2005, 04:55

michel mc mainard and tristan(chile)(AIZKORA_HERRIA-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

fuck you osama....

9th Jul 2005, 05:46

MAX says:

Do you know what's truly disgusting? The look on George Bush's face while he was standing behind Blair while Tony was addressing the bomb attack for the first time. His eyes were black as Satan's and he had the most evil look on his face. If anyone gets a chance, try to find that clip I'm talking about. While Blair is talking, all the other G8 leaders are standing behind him. Bush is in front with a brown suit on. Check him out. Super creepy.

9th Jul 2005, 07:30

mondo says:

Wow, amazing. Hey man, just thought I would wish all you brits luck. You guys have handled yourselves really well. Not like us Americans. Unfortunately, the people who own the microphones here in the US only allow one point of view. We're living in a Orwellian fascist state and most Americans are too dumb to realize this. Anyways, don't let all the ignorant redneck american Bush zombies get you down. Her in the US, we have to listen to them bark and foam at the mouth every minute of every single f'in day on tv, radio, and papers. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the Bushevik's are all in line already with their rehearsed talking points. Just like 9-11, you can see they're already prepared for their huge propaganda campaign. They've got 2 goals in mind. The Real ID and Patriot Acts. They've already been yapping on radio and tv since Thurs night that it's the fault of muslim clerics and the mosques because they don't have protests and denounce Bin Laden. That is so laughable it's almost not funny.

If anyone is to blame poltically, Bush and Sharon are the most guity of all. Dropping 100's of tons of radioactive bombs in urban Iraq is also terrorism.

If Blair has a sack, he will break his leash and stop being Bush's poodle. Then the UK will be alot safer in the future. Unless of course, Israel does what they usually do and plant bombs and blame it on Muslims. I still think Israel knew about this beforehand. First 24 hours of reports are always the most accurate. It's only after the government spins it like theyre already starting to do that we lose the truth.

9th Jul 2005, 07:45

Tyson says:

Goddam, Americans are ignorant. Most of them that I've read who've commented on her, who are pro war, don't even know their own recent history. Let me help you out on one of many mistakes I've read... Do you really know who INVENTED Al Qaeda and Islamofascism in general? The US in 1980's Afghanistan when poppa Bush was in office and they funnelled millions to these guys to fight Russia. The CIA trained them to be extremists. Look it up in any reputable news source.

You know, when the 1st set of Bushevik's were in office? Alot of them are the same under jr. They mass murdered during the late 80's, as much if not more than they are now... civilians in Africa, Bosnia, Sarajevo, Panama, Phillipines, Honduras, Guatemala, Chile, Afghanistan, Haiti, Iraq, etc.. etc. THE US has either invaded, bombed, or funded coup d'etat's employing asassins and death squads in a total of 82 countries since WW2. Thats more than the rest of the world combined.

I suggest any American's on here playing like theyre some kind of expert analyst needs to go do some reading over at. whatreallyhappened.com

and watch the videos over at http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/
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And quit treating this tragedy like its something to take advantage of and point the finger at a whole religion. That
s plain ridiculous. if you want to quell anti UK sentiment, demand Blair follow through with pulling out of Iraq. Dropping a bomb from a plane onto hospitals and homes isnt so different from a backpack bomb.

9th Jul 2005, 08:07

lisa says:

I think Laurie Anderson, a brit by the way,. said it best when she compared Bush's reasoning and reactions to a beautiful school girl who claims that 'nobody likes me because I'm so beautful' with the other kids respond "no...we don't like you cause youre a jerk!"

9th Jul 2005, 08:14

numan(global_vessel-at-yahoo-dot-com) says:

I am really sad about what has happened in the london I did spend there 5 years..

having studied/lived/worked in several country`s I feel we should all try to take the best out of each other. try to build a better world.

but if we try here to defend colonial policy`s (past) or present economic manipulation we will not get far...

being american or else what does it mean... instead of trying to defend a country`s policy we should seek to uncover the manupulation we are all faced with by politicians for whatever reason..

we should respect the human as such and what it can accomplish and accomplished through history, from feudal to economic & social freedom and give this also to poor country`s as hope to build a future, a better future.

In no way it makes sense what these bastards did and NO it has nothing to do with religion at all it has to do with YES manipulation too...

remember history back on what was imposed on china nad how the colonial powers were behaving INCLUDING THE UK!

Asia has paid a high price for it but so did the US & the UK after te failure in vietnam & elsewhrere..

these extrimists use their theoretical but unpractical ideas to gain access to poor, uneducated people through facts as in palistina and how the political system is frauted in the middle east and they are right...

and the west on the one hand supports these regimes as they do and did in africa and welcome regime critics with open arms without understanding these peoples aims.

after these people settle down in whichever western country there aim is of course gain access to more less educated people that they can manipulate for their own gains by how the hosting nation is treating them etc .

instead hosting nations should be more proactive integrating these people into the society.
not all of this is correct but some substance is indeed existent.

how e.g. the british are still stucked in the past colonial area not all but the majority..

on the other hand western governments need to push these regimes to respect the rules of law and implement economic & social changes and open their markets to those and increase exchange with these country`s

only 5 out of my 115 class mates in london went to languages classes offered by the university, only 2 did projects that covered business issues in developing country`s..

we should repect each other and open ourself to new ideas that are not imposed and guarantee human respect and the rule of law (see israel and the mess there it all comes sback one way or the other

and maybe we can be all abit more happy, and craete many country`s as diverse & successful as california

I still laugh about the reason Bushi went into iraq and surely a bigger mess is awaiting him but his lobby group wanted it like that so that they can spend even more on guns but less on medicare where 28 million people are not at all insured... if this is not a disgrace what is...

saddly many inicent people get hurt coz they did not have the money to live where they work and so on goes the story...

what will we learn from this?

possib y nothing, very sad indeed...

9th Jul 2005, 11:06

Council of Conservative White Christians says:

David Yeagley speaks on miscegenation
I say, love of race, ethnicity, culture, minus the maniacal, satanic vision of Adolf Hitler, is the only saving grace of the world. Without it, in some multiculturalist, globalist world without boundaries, the world will simply become an emasculated, mass wimp, under the control of a few mega-wealthy tyrants.

Love of race is the only 'saving grace' left in the world, and the Communist, multinationalists, and globalists are desperate to rub out all natural differences. They are anti-race, anti-language, anti-culture, and anti-God,

Man always wants to separate that which God has brought together, as in marriage/divorce, and to bring together that which God has separated, as in language, culture, and race.

Mixed raced people can't help what they are. Their's is no fault. But there is no need to repeat the same, or to advocate more, or to idolize such a condition by perpetuating it. When you realize you're on a wrong path, even if you didn't put yourself on it, the only dignified thing to do is to get back on the right path.

The need in the world today is love of one's own people, without hatred for another's. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is both prescriptive and proscriptive. You can't love your neighbor unless you love yourself.


9th Jul 2005, 11:53

SleepsWithTheFishes says:

Re. Tyson's post:
Thank God we have some intelligent commentary like yours on the net. Sadly ignorant people, (not only restricted to Americans), usually have the loudest opinions. Thanks for links too, I wasn't aware of either of those.

9th Jul 2005, 12:16

MR says:

Wow! The Liberal conspiracy theory wackoids have figured it all out, again! Help us all, go get a valium and calm down.

9th Jul 2005, 16:18

daniel(daniel_palermo-at-sapo-dot-pt) says:

triste covardia merecem um fim igual

9th Jul 2005, 16:21

suan says:

Yeah, thanks Tyson. I checked out those sites. Very good.

For an overall picture I suggest Doris Lessing's seminal works about our current condition. Read the Canopus in Argos series beginning with Shikasta. And, for a bit of a polemic there is The Good Terrorist also authored by Ms. Lessing. Then, for added edification check out Idries Shah and examine how we came to be "here" in a broader sense and remember, perhaps our species will survive, or perhaps not. No one really knows.

9th Jul 2005, 16:57

Claudia(claudiajornalismo-at-yahoo-dot-com-dot-br) says:

I not speak english, my english is very bad!!!I Brasilian.
I Portuguese!!

Um ato de grande desumanidade, o terrorismo deveria ser banido.

9th Jul 2005, 17:57

danielle says:

is there any site with the list of people who has been killed?

9th Jul 2005, 18:03

danielle says:

is there any site with the list of people who has been killed?

9th Jul 2005, 18:03

danielle says:

but is there any list of people who the could identify...
im so worried bout a friend who lives in london... usualy i hear of him every day but not since that terrorism.....: (

9th Jul 2005, 18:08

danielle says:

thnx...

9th Jul 2005, 18:23

Steve says:

Council of Conservative White Christians says:

I shudder at the thought that you believe every word that you have typed, you set our species back generations when you spout such hate.

I hope you find peace in you lives that doesnt involve seeking out people to blame, or a need to rely upon an outside source for moral guidance

9th Jul 2005, 21:13

keke says:

i feel sorry

11th Jul 2005, 09:33

Charlotte says:

i am worried about my neighbour Adam, i know he gets the train into London everyday for work, i think he could have been on one of the trains that was bombed. All of my family and other neighbours are worried and we are wondering if he is okay as we have not seen Adam since wednesday evening. He moved here recentally and we do not know his surname so we wonder if he took the photo. We are not sure if it is him in the photo, does anyone know if it is Adam Stacey in the photo? Please help us.

11th Jul 2005, 19:31

Rich says:

YEs, one of the comments further up in the thread says this picture was taken by him, so presumably it's him in the picture too. Also says that he was suffering from smoke inhalation but otherwise fine. Hopefully this is still the situation, try not to let it worry you.

11th Jul 2005, 19:40

~MiKaElA(lilangel2202-at-hotmail-dot-co-dot-uk) says:

Thinkin of all of the relatives who have lost loved ones in this dreadful event . The terrorists will be caught! They cant get away with killing people n not suffer from it. Its not fair when we have to suffer.

11th Jul 2005, 20:06

Steve says:

There has been enough suffering, all I want is Justice, real Justice as dished out by the courts in accordance with our laws. Not Guanatamo bay style holding zones without trial. We must act better than them or we become them.

11th Jul 2005, 23:14

Cat(catquigley79-at-hotmail-dot-com) says:

working as an air hostess just got back from Vegas, everyone abroad is totally dumbfounded by the news and so upset, no one is defiant in not travelling to our great city. Came back yesterday to London and the atmosphere was so awful. Made myself get on tube (VIc line) which went straight through the KIngs Cross station. It was so eerie and I felt the souls around me. I say get back to travelling as soon as we can and try not to let this affect us. My thoughts are with everyone and our beautiful proud nation.

12th Jul 2005, 06:50

Steve says:

"Basically the human race is a territorial, homicidal animal but with redeeming features"

That about sums it up for me......

quite like

"A virus with shoes" as well

13th Jul 2005, 20:15

Ewen says:

This picture sums up the terror I've always felt on the tube. I'm not in London or even the uk but the sense of panic for close ones in London was real. I have never regarded myself as a "Brit"(look at my name) but half my family are from there. Respect to everyone in London, no matter what creed or colour and remember that just because a person has dark skin or is a muslim doesn't make him a terrorist. This could be a turning point for race relations in the uk so don't spoil it by attacking everyone of a different faith. It is time for balanced thinking. Personally I think we cannot pull out of the Gulf now, but the Americans on this board who are so gung ho should pay attention to world politics and not their leaders. The British should keep their eyes open and everybody shoul offer their condolences and not bow down to terrorism in any form. Thurs 14th Europe will have two minutes silence at 12.00 GMT. Ewen, Lithuania

13th Jul 2005, 20:57

spaz44 says:

all is ok in london now is over 9 months london peaceful but now some still mourn

18th Jan 2006, 16:13