London Underground bombing, trapped

Is this a TV or camphone pic?

Jeez. This is what I get for just picking at images when I should be working. Sorry for any offence guys.

Wikinews question:

Hi, can you explain more about where and at what time precisely this photo was taken?

might be handy to add it directly to this page:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Trapped_underground.jpg

where did the pic come from?

Alf, are you stuck in that? Hope you're ok.

540-- He's not stuck in that. He's above ground.

watching this on the news in the US.. praying for you all.

Cheers bronx

:) Just wanted to make sure you found out and fast. You and yours all right then?

Yes we're all ok thanks. Fortunately far enough away from all this. You ok? I saw you and mrs540 were discussing fencing last night.

I'm okay. Very concerned- I remember this all too well from three years ago. I was on my way to bed when this happened. Awake now, obviously.

Yes, was talking about fencing last night. Much fun. She's quite nice.

Like I said before, she's the best :)

All this terrorist stuff must bring back some bad memories for you though

above ground, the pic was taken on a camphone by one of tabs colleagues, just getting personal inofrmation from him now.

540- That's one way of putting it.

Do you mean the photo was taken above ground, or the photographer is now above ground?

the photographer now above ground.

(certainly feels more like it was yesterday, than three years ago, at the moment... )

Hope they are all OK

I'm not even in London and I'm worried. I wasn't in the country when 911 happened and i have few friends in NY. This is a bit freaky for me now cause I have many friends in London.

This is just unbelievable ...

The latest reports are of 6 scattered explosions. Just praying that everyone is ok!

This image taken by Keith Tagg Adam Stacey. He was on the northern line just past Kings Cross. Train suddenly stopped and filled with smoke. People in carriage smashed tube windows to get out and then were evacuated along the train tunnel. He's suffering from smoke inhalation but fine otherwise.

Glad he's well. Very glad.

Holy crap I am just watching the news from New Zealand our hearts go out to all UK citizens at this terrible sight-----------(and no we didn't do it to take your minds off the Lions)

A bit of good news there.

Glad you & Tabs ok Alf.....just a few more friends to check on.....

Motherf*cker!

Hope your ok man.

good to hear you are both ok mate

alfie. I KNOW what it's like to be in the middle of this situation. I lived in Manchester. My flat was on the roof of the Arndale Centre. I walked past the van that blew up about 3/4 hour before the city centre was evacuated. It was a terrifying experience that I would never want to live through it again. Not to mention that I was temporarily homeless because we didn't know if the building was safe, and I couldn't get into work because our office was on the edge of the blast zone. The original comment I made was innappropriate, thought I didn't know that at the time, it would have been more inappropriate to leave it once I knew the context. Again sorry if any offence was caused.

"The original comment I made was innappropriate, thought I didn't know that at the time"

exactly, dont worry mate, my bad for assuming you knew.

minute by mute timeline of the attacks

here

Attack occurred in the financial district.

Little Eichmanns dying? Cry me a river. This is just chickens coming home to roost.

[mod edit: changed your name so as not to appear that I made the above comment - Joe]

Good to hear you and your mate are ok.

thanks bob, nice to see your name there man.

the pic was taken below ground and transmted

I hope they get these people out ok.

does anyone know if they're still evacuating the tube/ what the specifics are on that? they're finally done with the "power surge" bit, on the news here, and have talked to some people who've left after being stuck 20+ minutes underground., but I'm not understanding if that's just from one spot or not.

I hope you dont mind but I sent it into Sky news. ( with photo credit to Keith Tagg)

thats what the cc is for, Ive had Associated press contactme, as well as an Israeli daily news source.

damn!!

Alexis, no idea aside from what the news is telling us.

wow. O_O

here is the link for the bbc page with live video :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm
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just keep hitting play until it works is the best plan.

your pic was jut on Sky news

That was quick

Just seen on Sky News...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iambigred/24230716/

holy crap!

they gave the credit to Keith :)

nice!

Sky News have just used this pic

"they gave the credit to Keith :)"
as well they should, mention us?

Nope they just said this photo was sent in by one of our viewers Keith Tagg and then they went on to describe the pic

probably a good thing they didn't mention us the view count on this would sky-rocket ( I have a feeling it will anyhow)

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the image is now on the sky news website at http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188273,00.html

There are no credits just a note that it is "Passenger's camera photo"

dont know, but the creative commies reference on the post seems a bit inappropriate to me...

it's "creative commons", not "commies".

double post

it's actually a creative commons license, my fault :-)

h4nne5 thats the license that the image is released under, it's nothing to do with commies.

C'mon people!! it hurts so much, but we will this war against bloody terrorists..

hey H4nnes, the reason was that without it, it would not have been picked up as it has been by traditional news sources, it would have ahd to go through AP, sold etc, this way it is free to use for any organisation, and it is an important image I think.

hey LR, the author is in fact Adam Stacey.

I thought you said Keith took it ?

BBC has picked up the pic here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4659489.stm
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With the following quote:
This photo by Adam Stacey is available on the internet and claims to show people trapped on the underground system.

the commies thing wasnt meant serious (the t-shirt!) i know it's commons!
@alfie: seems to be a good point. i had a wrong impression it was to promote the creative commons.
;-)

I'm watching this in Northern USA. I really hope you all are ok.

Shalom,

this is bloody petrifying.
I'm watching from the Netherlands and hope you blokes are doing fine,

hope the police catchs the damn terrorists.

I just sent this to MSNBC Citizen Journalist reports.

sky news and creative commons and major news story, this will be the story of the pic in future

Don't worry about us. We'll be fine. Everyone gets their turn at being hit by terrorists, and the important thing is NOT TO LET THEM WIN. Britain is not "burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern and western quarters". Yes, lives have been lost, and yes, it's terrible, but as a nation we will shrug this off and continue to do what we believe is the right thing. We will continue to help the people of Iraq to recover from their years of oppression, which we deeply regret our part in imposing on them many years ago.

glad to hear you're ok, alf, was really frightening in central london this morning. i'm home ok now too and as far as i know all my mates are either home or in their offices. lots of love.

you too Kel, were you on a train?

hope you're ok. Saw this pic on livejournal.com/~livejournal_uk It's travelling via email aswell.

all a bit hectic today isn't it? good you're ok alf.

long story - was on piccadilly line which terminated at manor house at 0905, was told to get bus to finsbury park and get victoria line... obviously that was closed too, so went back to manor house and got bus towards holborn, which terminated at islington. But instead of telling us to go home, they told us to get on another one - which then stopped on farringdon road. Again, though, instead of saying, right guys, try and go home, they just chucked us off. So i walked down to work and found police turning everyone away. Didn't know what to do except walk home and avoid train stations, so just walked as far as essex road, then managed to get a cab back to turnpike lane. I feel really shocked and really lucky (russell square is the station i use for work.)

I'm really angry that I was allowed to get as far into london as i was though, and i hope that didn't cause people to get hurt.

Hey Dean, cheers mate - Im at home with incredibly bad tooth, but I cycle in at any rate. I was initially a little worried about tabby, as she normally cycles but took the train today, right through Kings Cross, but she's fine and in a warm office. SO nice seeing you here mate.

Alfie, kel, once you feel up to it, any chance you could stop by Wikinews and check to make sure we've got it right?
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Explosions%2C_%27serious_incidents%27_occuring_across_London
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We really need some more reporters on this event who were actually involved, not just listening to the radio. If you're not familiar with how wikinews works, just leave some notes on the discussion page, we'll clean 'em up and add them to the article.

I'm glad you made it out okay.

"then managed to get a cab back to turnpike lane. "

good, and hey, I didnt know you guys lived just there, I used to be based out there.

"I'm really angry that I was allowed to get as far into london as i was though"

Phoenix said above that at 7.30 in the morning he noticed that all the down escalators had been switched off at a station, who knows what Underground staff and mangers were thinking in the midst of all this.

yeah, our tube driver told us that 'there is a power surge at king's cross, we don't know how long we'll have to wait at this station, go to finsbury park'

only been living in turnpike lane for a couple of months, boy am I glad i wasn't having to try and get back to croydon...

(Tim - i'll have a look at that, but I'm not sure how much help i'd be)

Just woke up to this. Tears and prayers to everyone effected.

Elf - keep me posted on this side of the Atlantic as to anything that needs doing.

I've been at work for half an hour in the U.S. (9:30 a.m. EST) and just found this site through Flickr after seeing your photo on BBC and the Guardian. Very impressive for a camera phone image, as well as for you keeping your cool through th experience.
I'm glad to hear that you and your mates made it out of the UG all right and I hope that things clear up soon in London. It's very frightening to be shown how fragile our lives can be, how delicate the skins we wear really are.
The U.S.'s thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.
Sarah

Thanks Sarah, just to be clear, this is an image captured by a friend that works with my girlfriend. He was very cool, I think reasoned flight was the order of the day, although there are reports that there are still people trapped on the underground.

This pic is now on the front page of the BBC News web-site.

gosh.

Man, Moblog first with the news once again. Shame it couldn't be in happier circumstances.

Gosh is right. Thanks for the clarification, Alfie. Either way, glad everyone is all right. :)

My prayers are with all involved in this terrible incident

Our Prayers are with you...

We in Canada are shocked at the cowardly act against the innocent people of London.. our prayers go out to the families of those who were killed and injured.

Sympathies from Madrid, where we can't believe this is happening again...

Hearts and thoughts going out to you from Colorado, and thanks to all here for posting information. Helps to know there are ways to connect through all this.

We all are sending thoughts of strength and support your way, and are with you as we watch this unfold.

Be well...

Adrienne

21121 views at 1643, this image definitely stirs something deep inside. Sympathies to all.

It's a sad day. The only real losers in all of this are the unfortunate people who happened to be going about their daily business when some sick, twisted, evil minded bunch of morons figured they would become martyrs for "the cause". Whatever the f**k that may be.
I hope the people who did this rot in hell.

Sad day, indeed, as the days that people live in Iraq and Afghanistan. "El que las hace, las paga"

:(

Glad the photographer of this got out safely. I have ridden on the Underground in London during my visits there a few years back and can only imagine how horrible it must have been to have them start to fill with smoke.

An amazing and disturbing shot. I'm so glad to see the UK folks checking in on their moblogs.

We are thinking of you.

Sending prayers and hugs to all my UK friends and their families.

Love,
Sara

cnn is posting our moblog photos. so so glad to hear you're alright alfie, everyone else is accounted for to then?

yeah lizzie, everyone cool on my side -what are cnn posting?

this photo, is one of the ones being shown in the background feed while the anchors are talking -- they've had continual feed all day, but its another source perhaps Sky or BBC they're showing images from, just saw this photo three or four times in the loop.

This is on NYTimes.com too

I'm sad. I love London. The best from Lisbon.

I think this photo was taken on the same train (same person?)
http://www.buzznet.com/buzzwords/london/?id=1397830

no, the one adam was on managed to make it into a station, I believe the above is from the aldgate train.

Nous sommes de tout coeur avec vous ! Par la pensée et nous sommes révulsés par l'horreur de tels actes !
Courage !
Amicalement ...de Tahiti

Alfie - you rock, this is such an important image as it brings home the horror of an underground attack and highlights the importance of recognising that everyone can define the news. You also rock cos you released it under CC so that the world could see it.
So relieved everyone is OK.

Paula Le Dieu
london CCi staffer watching in horror from New York.

First the US and now London. Its so gay. I dont see how somebody could do this and not have any consequences. Less than 100 years from now the whole world is going to be screwed because of dumb people like them.

LOVE FROM MADRID!!!!

Much love from USA! I love London and I was born there! Love yall so much

Also love from Holland, support eachother, and i hope there be a pay back time!

Yesterday while in the supermarket, I was shopping for foods, veggies, etc -- anyhow -- got up the line to checkout and there was a huge wait. There was an angry looking middleaged white man with an overflowing basket of food grumbling under his breath about the store and "why don't they open another line, Americans are waiting in line!!" very hostile. He was making everyone pretty anxious -- then a young black girl appeared kinda close to where I was standing in line waiting, with a baby on her hip and two items in her hand, milk and diapers. I offered her to go ahead of me and from behind the angry man began shouting.

"You're what's wrong with the world, goddamned American always letting foreigners cut in line, first it's the blacks, then its the Muslims, next it'll be the Orientals..." he went on, and on and on. The girls baby began to cry and I was just about to say something to him when a guy in the next line over in army fatigues spoke up.

"No, you're what's wrong with the world, bigotry and hatred and complete ignorance, you're who causes wars and hate, you should be ashamed of yourself."

I don't think the old man said another word, in fact, everything was silent. I know this incident yesterday fails in comparison to the magnitude of today's events in London, but I can't help think that if everyone took a moment to realize how precious life is and just love eachother, tragedies such as this would never happen. I know it's a far fetched wish -- I just don't know what else to say.

I don't know who's right or wrong in this whole war.. all the deaths and horror seem to outweigh the possibility of real peace, for me, anyway. I just wish the aggressors would stop harming innocent people, on both sides.

damn im sorry uk i was in NYC when the WTC got hit and i feel for you all

smoke Ls every day to keep the pain away 1 love United Kindom

Much Love from GREENWICH CT

we should not have to live like this our familys thought wars for freedom and peace and it all seems to be falling apart god bless britain and the people caught up in these spineless attacks.

i am watching the news now i am disgusted that this should happen we have a army to protect us but they are everywhere else in the world protecting others and the people they are trying to protect are over here killing us what is going on is this ever going to stop. why the people who work in london are keeping the world running the leaders are protected well leaders listen to this the public will not put up with this 4 ever DO SOMETHING!

I hope all of you in the UK and London especially are all safe & OK!

I feel for all of our brothers and sisters from the UK. Man it sure brings back memories of 9-11. But I know that the British have the same resolve that the Americans have. And I know that they will rise above and be a stronger people because of this. God bless you all from Alabama, USA.

my best friend is in london for a trip.. i pray shes okay .. her name is meghann she is korean

I think the goverment needs to think about paying our emergency services more and think about housing them closer to work for this reason.If people come to this coumtry and cannot prove who they are and what criminal history they may have then they should be sent straight home they dont even know where these people are they come here then disapear to cause havoc on our country its despicable this should be happening this day and age the people respnsible probably have a free pass to travel on london transport while the people who pay to travel to work who pay taxes which fund these bus passes get blown up by them its NOT FAIR.my heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragic event

You are entitled to your opinion nipper, but I disagree, this is nothing to do with race, or ethnicity, this is about religious extremism.
I'm proud to live in a country where people are accepted regardless of where in the world they were born, or what colour their skin is.
The minority should not be allowed to jade your opinion of the majority.

Joe: ^5 :)

Friends, God bless you all!
I feel for all of London....
I think PEACE is the right word for this moment for all you...don´t think in revenge....

PWNED!

I'm watching this in the U.S. too. It's almost on every channel. It looks really bad and I hope all you guys are ok.

God bless you guys in the UK - be safe.

Chicago

hope everyone is ok ... god bless
dont let this bring anyone down
they will get what's coming....

America Stands Behind You!!

Dont stand too close, we're funny about all that us Brits.

but thanks for the sentiment,

What do you think the chances are that one man, Rudi Giuliani, could be only a block away from BOTH the 9-11 AND London attacks? Methinks I'd have better odds winning the lottery.

good point - Im gonna find him and ask him to fill out a lottery form for me, thanks for the idea ;)

i bet Rudi Giuliani would participate: we re not afraid.com

STOP BOMBING. GRAFFITI. TRAINS. SKYSCRAPERS.

STOP ALL BOMBING.

GRAFFITTI WRITERS: A MORATORIUM ON BOMBING. ALL GRAFFITI WRITERS: NO BOMBING. NO MORE GRAFFITI. NO ART UNTIL EVERYONE COMES TO THEIR SENSES. NO OUTWARD EXPRESSION OF CREATIVITY. NO FOOD FOR THE MASSES. ART IS PLENTIFUL. PEOPLE ARE UNGRATEFUL.

World GIANT / WG

oz sits behind you mofos too.

someone sure needs to take the jihad to the extremists.

Just wanted to express sympathy to all the Londeners. Our prayers and hearts are with you from the U.S.

express sympathy to all the uk, from australia

we're heading your way for a family visit in 4 days. We won't let the terrorist knobs run our lives.

kill the terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my condolences.((

Just saw your pic on an Aussie news website and followed the link here.

My thoughts and best wishes are with all those effected.

Sending loads of Aussie love xxxx

please leave a tribute on my website 4 the many people who died www.willcurtis.piczo.com and leave ur thoughts

Best wishes from Honolulu.

i wish you all the best ...i'm speechless.

Wish you all the best, our prayers will remember all those victims
greetings from Austria

Thoughts are with us all from Boston. We have a long battle to fight.

Perhaps if the American government stopped behaving in such a thoughtless, imperialist and racist way the battle would be that much shorter.

ALL this is AMERICA'S fault. ALL OF IT.

You are so out of line. You have not called this one correctly. America did not invent racism or imperialism not are we the only country perpetuating any of the isms your site has accused us of doing. Look at the brouhahha over Prince Rainier biracial grandson. All we hear across the pond is that this child is muddying up the bloodline of the dynasty. All of Europe is racis. Period, including jolly ole England. What hypocricy!

"ALL this is AMERICA'S fault. ALL OF IT"

Rich: Don't mean to offend you but in my opinion that's a fairly racist staement in itself. You can't blame all of America just because you don't like their government. That isn't the way to get people sitting down together to discuss their differences. All it does is knocks down bridges and widens any gaps that are already there.

I agree whoeheartedly w/540air: calmer heads should and must prevail in times of turmoil. Besides the bloodshed of innocent human beings, one of the aims of terrorist is the age-old strategy of diviide and conquer. There is no reason to take the bait. If possible, England should enlist the financial help of all the countries that will participate in the Olympics 2012 events. Condolences to all the bereaved families.

I can blame the American government though, which is what I was doing. My American friends are all wonderful, blameless human beings who happen to live in a country which has employed genocide as a tool of foreign policy for over 50 years. You can get all touchy-feely spacktard "hey let's not play the blame game" if that makes you feel better but that doesn't change the facts. America created Al Qaida, America armed Saddam Hussain, America has blindly supported Israel in it's oppression
of Palestine, etc etc etc. And that's before we get onto South America, the far east....

I was being slightly overzealous though, I will admit. Britain has done more than it's fair share to earn the enmity of the middle east. So it's more accurately a 70/30 split on the blame front.

we wish you all the best ... greets from austria!

Rich - that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is a shame that you can look at this devestation caused by awful people and not put the full blame on the people who actually did it. Be careful before your reasoning becomes as twisted as the sick people who did this!!

This has just topped Domo-pod for the most-viewed Moblog post.

Rich,
As a 9/11 survivor I find it offensive for you to blame America. I think you may want to study a little about British history. The seeds of this anger may go back to the period of English colonialism. Remember "the sun never set on the British Empire". As for the citizens of the United Kingdom, I will keep them in my prayers. I understand their pain. I hope that all those that lost love ones at the hands of these cowardly individuals will find peace one day.

Did you actually read what I said? How I blamed us too? And as a 9/11 survivor why don't you go and read a little bit more about America's recent history? Then you might understand a little about the reason WHY you got attacked rather than just "they the bad men, we gon 'tack them good"


Whatever, I just get sick of all the jingoistic bullcrap "Oh, we must beat these evil people who are evil because they're evil and we're totally blameless, blah blah blah."

Our hearts go out to you Londoners and the rest of the UK!
And to Gracey Black, Whit and others I have this to say: the sooner you stop talking to that vile creep Rich, the sooner it will crawl back under its rock!

One last comment to Rich. If it weren't for America's recent history, you'd be speaking German. Have a good day

Rich,
The comment made ending with "70/30 blame split" I would tend to agree with. My point was that as you mentioned you were being a bit over zealous.
The US and UK govs have a lot to answer for but the vast majority of US & UK citizens are normal blameless people who get sh*t on from a great height.

[edit]
The "It's all America's" fault comment just invites the jingoistic comments that have been appearing since.

very dreadful day..the offenders must be brought to justice

Wow - amazing how a weblog of such warm well-wishers from across the globe can turn so angry in a split second. The answer, of course, is you're both right. Al Qaida was created as a direct response to American foreign policy - and there's no question there as Bin Laden has said this over and over again.

Of course there's racism in Europe - there's racism in America - there's racism everywhere - and it's usually caused by sheer ignorance. People don't like what they don't understand.

What the global community has a hard time understanding, though, is America's recent foreign policy maneuvers. Going after Al Queda after 911 made sense, going after the Taliban in Afganistan made sense since that was where a lot of Al Quaida resources were - but where the heck did invading Iraq come from? They had nothing to so with Al Quaida or 911, had no weapons of mass distruction, and the US actually diverted resources away from the war on terrorism to go after Sadam. It kind of leaves the world scratching its head.

Invading Iraq was probably the best gift George Bush could ever give Al Quaida as they now have another foreign policy reason to continue to go after the West since Iraq was an Islamic state. And lets not forget that the UK was strongly shoulder to shoulder with the US in this little foray into Iraq. We reap what we sow...

Oh fuck off Tim, why is it Americans always roll that one out when they feel they have to win an argument? Entering a war several years late after continuing an economic relationship with Nazi Germany, yeah, you go right ahead and feel proud about that bucko.

I'm ending this conversation now, because it's only going to get stupid and there's no way anything useful will come out of this cross atlantic dickwaving.
540air, apologies if I offended you, but it's been incredibly frustrating having to live with nearly 4 years of vile neocon rhetoric and masturbatory expressions of grief over an event, while shocking and unique and terrible, is a mere drop in the ocean compared to what we in the west have visited on the rest of the world.

What was it Malcolm X said about chickens and their roosting habits?

On t.v. we (the argentinies) watch the same images all the time. We need yours comments, thanks for that.

As an American. I am deeply offended by some of the statements on this site. We do not share the blame in this tragedy...not 70% not even .05% Our foreign policies are not responsible for terrorist taking innocent lives. Please make me understand your position. Uhhh talk to me as if I was 9 or 10. Expand on your logic...Explain how our policies promoted this tragedy. I am waiting.....You know what you will never explain to my satisfaction. Never. you Rich are an asshole.

The only people responsible for yesterday's atrocities are the maniacs who detonated the bombs.

Let's have a little more mutual support for civilians who have been turned into frontline soldiers by godless idiots.

As an american, I am upset that people make generalizations about what Britains or Americans believe.

As a human, I think we all deserve to be bombed hard, in the face.

why on earth does it matter what nationality we are? The point is, we were all saddened by this tragedy and we are all thinking of those directly and personally affected.

Dude:
If you have taken offense at me calling a fellow-Brit a bad name. Bygones. The logic of some of the posting is illogical childish/unintelligible/archaic and downright mean spirited,,,Really, I am being kind in assessing this dialogue. .What right-thinking person believes that anyone 'cept the pepertrators of this tragedyn are responsible for this tragedy. ???

I'm gone for 6 hours and you start a flame war. Please kids, let's all play nice, shall we?

52412 views at 10.54 EDT. Congratulations on the popularity of this photo. I'm here through a link in the NYT. As an American, I want to extend my sympathies and sorrow for what happened yesterday. As an American, I would also like to extend my aplogies for the behaviors of other Americans on this message board, who can't seem to move beyond a US-centric world view.
May you find healing, and peace.

Hi, I'm talking from Madrid. You have all our support and prayers.

From South America, hearts and thoughts going out to you from Buenos Aires!

Thank you michael

Dude,
This is my last comment of the day.This is an interesting site; I will return this evening. If terrorist sincerely believe that Americans et al are responsible for their plight and as a result of that belief, embark on a Holy War to avenge their wrongdoers (Americans and Brits) by sensless bombings. The fact that the terrorist sincerely believe this does not make that belief true/correct or accurate.The belief in something that has no basis in fact or reality makes the terrorist actions sincere, and their beliefs sincere...sincerely wrong. Let us not concede one iota to this kind of logic...to do so perpetuates the belief that we are responsible for yesterday's event. Also, why fight against and support a war on terrorism if we are responsible in any manner? Let freedom ring.

ddd

Gracey: I'm concerned that the extremists' beliefs are rooted in our countries histories, i.e. the creation of the Israeli state, et al. I'm 21, American and I agree that our generation absolutely does not deserve this, but it is our responsibility to know the history that has led to where we are now. I don't think one can fight terrorism by dismissing something they obviously believe in more fanatically than most things you or I believe in. What's gone on in Iraq should be a lesson (that we should have known from Vietnam, duh): you can't bully people to make them agree with you.

Hhhm. The trouble with that kind of logic, Gracey, is that it's just the unstoppable force meeting immovable object problem. If we're just going to see them as The Bad Guys and us as The Good Guys then we're just going to be stuck in this cycle of violence forever. The West has helped to create this situation, like it or not. That does not excuse their actions, it is merely an attempt to create a context in which we can understand them and try and find a solution - somewhat more useful that "We're right and they're evil, shooting them will solve the problem"

Of course, if Bush Senior hadn't been such an abject coward back in the first gulf war and had continued to support the Iraqi and Kurdish rebels instead of withdrawing the mighty US military and letting them get massacred by the Republican Guard then he wouldn't have had to rig elections to get his idiot son to finish the job for him, who knows how different the world might have been?

Londoneers, rest assured that our prayers are with you...be well in God´s speed...mexico.

See what Bush started.

Did Bush start 9/11? No.

(btw- I do not think the iraq war was a good move. Afghanistan/taliban/al-qaeda was and is the noble fight)

You can trace the fanaticism all the way back to creation of Israel or even beyond that.

If you don't blame the terrorist fanatics then who?

You could fill an entire page with world leaders names going back decades who have pissed these lunatics off.

I don't think anything we do (or do not do) will ever make the true fanatics happy. It seems to be their 'job' to elevate themselves by creating hatred any way they can.

If you remove one excuse they will find another to 'justify' their 'cause'.

I honestly believe they would not know what to do with themselves to 'validate' their existence if they did not seek to destroy all that which they dislike.

This photo & Moblog was just mentioned on MSNBC. The person being interviewed was asked what photo from people on the street in London struck a chord the most.

Love and support from the US - & PA>

To my fellow Londoner, (even thought i now live in chicago) we must stay vigilant and strong. Despite all the positive, negative and intereting comments on this site (which is amazing) it seems politics, religion and peoples world view will always be violent, rude, endearing and in the case of fundamentalists, downright fatal and destructive. if indeed USA and Uk's foreign policies have created this incident and 9/11 and others like it then we are all in danger! Let us find solutions and help one another in our own way

I am from the U.S. I have read the comments posted on this site and I just wanted to say I do not think that anyones nationality should have anything to do with this horrible tragedy. We are all the same in God's eyes. Instead of lashing out words of hatred and blame we should all pull together and be strong for all the ones affected by this incident. We do not understand reasoning behind actions such as these but I know that even troublesome times have reasoning. Look to God and have faith He will bring us through. Some question God as to why He would allow something like this to happen but remember, He also gave His only son to save US ALL! Praise and Glory be to God-our prayers are with you all. Deepest Sympathy from the United States.

As a US citizen it is very sad to see what happened in London. I live right on the outskirts of New York city. The reality that day is these terrorists killed over 3,000 people from all over the world. It was the worst thing I have ever seen by far. People tend to forget things but those who saw these events never will. They turned the largest financial district in the world a ghost town. I know I was there. I know people who were lost that day. The world and maybe are foreign policies sometimes are not perfect. But the fact is both of our countries pour out to other countries in need as much as we can. It is sad that these terrorists believe that causing destruction and murder further their religious cause. They teach their children this. The day the trade centers went down people in afghanistan and Iraq were dancing. That is sick. These people are cowards. I thought alot since 9/11 whether so much loss of life is worth it. If we back out now the terrorists have dictated that there actions will make us stop in our countries search for peace and freedom i