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Yes, yes people I have emerged from my self realised obscurity to bestow knowledge on all headz. Used ta be out and about now strictly lying low dispensing wisdom.
Too much going down to stay quiet, now all of us have to rise up and speak truth to power.

There has to be more to us than dhal roti and Nokia phones...



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Managed to get hold of this and will be paying a visit to my local rednecks... Seriously though having spent half an hour going through the list this afternoon and checking out all the places I know, live in and work in it makes you wonder. Of course 12,000 people on a list shouldn't be worrying they are after all members of a legit political party. So wheres the Toolkit against extremism here? Or would it be too uncomfortable for us to face the reality that is being presented?
19th Nov 2008, 17:59   | tags:

Wendle says:

I would very much like that list... for research purposes only of course... *ahem*

19th Nov 2008, 18:41

DocD says:

It has been up here:

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list%2C_2007-2008

but the excel file is harder to get (It's on Torrent) otherwise drop me in an email

19th Nov 2008, 18:57

"wikileaks is overloaded" - no surprise there then!

19th Nov 2008, 20:00

Rich says:

As awesome as it is to see fascists squirming and as much as I dearly wish horrible lives on each and every member of the BNP, I can't help but think that getting aggro or hassle from "effnicks" is only going to make them more racist. If a few racist fuckwads lose their jobs out of this then yay, but if this leads to angry mobs looking for revenge (and I don't doubt that there are a lot of people who'd like a pop at that, and that their grievances are totally justified) that's just playing into their hands. It's all about choosing your battles wisely.

19th Nov 2008, 20:01

I've just had a long discussion about this on another site and my take on it is:
Regardless of the party or the politics, would any one of you want your details spread across teh interwebs?

Personally I would be more embarrassed if it were the Conservative membership database that got leaked with my name on it..

But that aside, normal people, and yes folks that's what they are (yes there are going to be some exceptions to that rule as in any group of people), normal people, not baby eating communists, now have their home phone numbers, mobile phone numbers in the hands of other people. Some of these other people who feel as strongly against the BNP and the BNP do on some of the current Labour policies. In every party you are going to have extremists who will take some form of direct action..

So I guess a number of the people on that list will get an increase in spam mail both electronic and physical, phone calls in the middle of the night etc etc...

19th Nov 2008, 22:04

George Coombs says:

Good to see this; the presence of police and prison officers is of course no surprise and it only serves as an additional warning of what we are up against

20th Nov 2008, 10:28

People cannot be bullied into an anti-racist stance. I tend to agree with Rich that it would just entrench their ideas more firmly than ever. What I find weird is that since moving from Leicester, which has one of the widest multicultural mixes in the country, to Pembrokeshire, which probably has the shallowest gene pool, I have encountered far more racism than i did before I moved. Down here though, you can't do diddly about it, cos the people you complain to see nothing wrong with it.

20th Nov 2008, 11:00

dan jacob says:

Unfortunately details of members' children have also been released - and they cannot be blamed for the beliefs of their parents. It will be interesting to find out whether the details were released due to incompetence in the BNP (not an unbelievable possibility) or an anti-fascist mole in their ranks.

12,000 people in a country of 60 million is hardly evidence of a widespread movement.

There are a few teachers, soldiers, police officers and I think a single vicar in the list, out of thousands of people in those professions.

Having said all that, the BNP has increased its share of the vote and is trying to appear all respectable, toning down its skinhead image. It's not the party numbers that are worrying here, it's that their views, wrapped in more polite and reasonable language, become more acceptable, especially in a coming depression where people are looking for scapegoats.

20th Nov 2008, 12:14

DocD says:

I knew this would raise attention and indeed it should be debated. But can I clarify that I am not abdicating violence or nuthin'

What it does raise is the way that the BNP has become 'respectable' while at the same time operating in ways that are still openly racist and inciting violence against minority groups:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7737271.stm

As someone who has worked both on the ground against fascist groups in the UK for decades and within local government the move is concerning. As labour party membership has fallen and the knocking on doors and local activism diminished these guys have stepped in. The BNP has something like 48 Councillors nationally but are now taking up Parish seats unopposed and literally in places like Stoke they are begining to become a major force. But lets get this straight the biggest threat is not the BNP it is our own complacency.

On the ground we have known for years that racists like child abusers were being protected - if this list can force the issue we can begin to expose those people who are in positions of power. All people in a situation where they are involved in governance have to declare an interest & any affiliations. - that is the way that this can be tackled.

Dan & some of you are completely right that in the times we're in extreme right wing views will gain currency and legitamacy so we need to be constantly vigilant as Thomas Jefferson put it:

'The price of freedom is eternal vigilance'

http://moblog.net/view/312020/this-is-what-happens-when-you-take-your-eye-off-da-ball


20th Nov 2008, 23:45

Anonymous says:

The list is being used by employers to target individual workers for victimisation on grounds of their political beliefs.

Leaving aside Employment Law this seems to me to amount to interference with the exercise of their right to freedom of association under Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Further it would be difficult to argue that in accordance with the requirements of paragraph 2 of Article 11, the interference had been prescribed by law and had pursued a legitimate aim. Any member of our Union who is also in the BNP will be vigorously protected should they come under pressure from bullying employers in the same way we would a member of any other Party.

Currently only the Police and Prison Service ban members of the BNP. Such bans have yet to be properly tested by the Courts. Our Union takes the view that there are people of all political persuasions in those services yet only one viewpoint is deemed unacceptable. This is discriminatory. Only if there is actual evidence of wrongdoing should someone be subject to disciplinary procedures. Clearly there was nothing wrong with the behaviour of those listed as working as Prison Officers, policemen etc as there membership came as a shock.

As a Trade Union we will uphold our member's employment rights and work to ensure that no-one in this country loses their livelihood due to this new McCarthyism.

Might I also point out that if BNP members are attacked they are unlikely to simply give-in. Tit-for-tat is a simple game to play. Do those gleefully re-posting this list really want to initiate and be responsible for the cycle of violence which may develop?

Yours sincerely





Patrick Harrington
General Secretary
Solidarity Trade Union
www.solidaritytradeunion.org

23rd Nov 2008, 17:13

taniwha says:

Love the paradox that a group opposed to the European Convention on Human Rights is now using it for protection.

23rd Nov 2008, 17:22

DocD says:

OMG! Should be honoured to get a response from da likes of Patrick H. He was exposed as a racist in North London Poly back in early 80's Now he's involved in the Third Way party and this dodgy Trade Union.

Funny how this is anon and the he puts his name at the bottom - I suppose I should worry that the blog has come up in their searches. Maybe me & Combat 18 can renew our old acquaintances!

Yea it is contradictory Taniwha but I ain't surprised

23rd Nov 2008, 19:33

Dry Fanny says:

Long live the BNP loony left has ruined this country.

6th Dec 2008, 00:12

DocD says:

Going from your name I guess you're a bit of an old c**t

6th Dec 2008, 00:41

fizz says:

i fink dat its sik dat da list has been leaked i cant wait 2 see if any1 i no is on dere

9th Jun 2009, 19:52

Anonymous says:

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28th Feb 2010, 00:34