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4th Jul 2012, 14:40  

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taniwha says:

Sounds like there's a story here ...

4th Jul 2012, 16:00

JokerXL says:

There was a story attached, but seems to have got lost in the mail. I'll try to find it.

4th Jul 2012, 16:26

JokerXL says:

So there I am, parked for the night on a quiet industrial estate, outside my first job for the morning, and this black Mercedes pulls up.
Two guys start loading a dozen or so 20liter plastic cans of diesel into the back of the car. The cans were retrieved from where they were tucked away, hidden out of sight, in the bushes there. The men were wearing blue surgical gloves. I knew it was diesel in the cans because one of them discarded his gloves before they left and when I went to look there was a recognizable smell.
I got a shot of their number plate as they left.
Next morning there are signs of tampering on my tanks. The fuel filler caps are off and discarded in the ground. I have anti-siphon devices fitted, so they will have gone away empty handed.

Now is it just me, or might there be a link here?

I reported the whole thing to the local McPlod and have just received an Email thanking me for the information and that a note has been made in their database.
Now that's got to have terrified the crimms of Strathclyde out if their wits, now hasn't it!

4th Jul 2012, 16:29

crickson says:

Excellent! I expect the police will be able to catch them with the information you provided. Question is, will they actually be prosecuted? And would you give a witness statement in court?

5th Jul 2012, 10:25

JokerXL says:

Do you seriously believe they were the slightest bit interested?

5th Jul 2012, 11:14

crickson says:

Not really. Certainly whenever we had car break-ins in Leeds it was a struggle to get more than a crime number out of them. They did once catch the guy that broke into Spiderbaby's car as he cut his hand - but the CPS wouldn't take it further as they weren't sure they'd get a conviction. Even with the guys blood smeared all over the inside of the glovebox!

5th Jul 2012, 12:56

JokerXL says:

Yeah, understandable. He could've been looking for a tissue after he'd got a splinter while helping a kitten out of a tree. Something totally innocent like that.

5th Jul 2012, 13:01

crickson says:

Actually he claimed he was sleeping rough that night and merely took shelter in our already-broken-into car. It must have been bloody awful weather to prefer to sleep on a sh*tload of broken glass. Bastard nicked half a packet of jellybabies.

5th Jul 2012, 13:23

hildegard says:

Don't despair, Joker There are regular joint Customs/ cop operations & they're very grateful for any concrete info on these pillocks.

You know that plate's on the ANPC system now & the cops now know that there's a stash-&-retrieve operation at that location. There may be some CCTV in the area, they may be able to pick up the car on motorway cams from that evening.

They'll be glad someone's finally seen something & told them. Last time I looked, over 80% of UK crime solved is solved on the basis of information received from the public.

5th Jul 2012, 15:29

JokerXL says:

It would be nice to think so but to be honest I don't have much faith in them. At least not for this level of crime. You'd have to be in really deep do-do's for them to want to actually come out of their cars and offices and do something constructive.

5th Jul 2012, 17:21

WhoseShoes says:

I'm afraid I'm with JXL here. We were at the petrol station close to stanstead airport whilst 540 went to get goodies, as we sat there myself and the kids noticed six young men exit from the back of a lorry. No-one seemed to notice or care. We saw a police patrol car and tried to flag tehm down to allert them to what we had seen. We chased , yes chased them, four miles up the road and when eventually we caught up with them they were not in the leat bit interested as there was a large puddle on a roundabout which needed a cone!

5th Jul 2012, 18:47

hildegard says:

Dunno, guess I see different cops. I was assaulted j a few months ago & couldn't have had a better experience of policing. Immediate attendance of both uniform & CID, they took me back to where it happened, went through every detail, checked everywhere for private CCTV, retrieved potential evidence, followed the route perpetrator took, went house-to-house; the whole nine yards.

Despite the fact that there were only 4, count 'em, 4 response cars available that night in a large, high-crime division, the uniform officer who kept being having to respond to urgent calls, nonetheless came back over & over, until he'd got all my statement (roughly 03:30h, but I wasn't about to get any sleep & having a large cop turn up every hour or so for awhile was very soothing in the circs).

Three weeks or so later, I got a call from a different officer trying to check the inadequate description I'd given. They'd arrested someone with a very similar MO & were hoping they'd got my perp. Sadly, not my guy, but some proof that even pretty banal crime reports don't get forgotten.

Since then, my neighbours & I have had to call the cops mutliple times to a domestic abuse situation in our street. They police have been unfailing brilliant. We're all despairing - the victim is Stockholm Syndromed to the max & won't support cases against her bloke, nonetheless, when he goes all of a red mist, she gets hurt. We call the cops so it doesn't get any worse & they come take the idiot away.

As soon as he's bailed or discharged, she takes him back & the rondo goes on. The cops keep turning up, keep arresting him, keep trying to get her to accept help getting out of her situation, keep doing the endless paperwork that goes all the way to the courtroom, before foundering on the victim's non-co-operation.. They still keep turning up & trying to do the right thing though.

There are idle pillocks in every job, as well as till dippers, jobsworths, bullies, grifters, & opportunists. On the whole though, my experience of police federation-level british cops has been positive. ACPO though - now they *do* seem bent on the destruction of policing by consent....

(Edit) Oh, gosh, sorry - now I see that posted, realise I did go on a bit. Sorry!

6th Jul 2012, 00:26

JokerXL says:

You're quite right Hildegard, depends which cops you get. 

When I left for work at 4am on a Monday morning (years ago now) some toe-rag climbed onto the roof and was trying to get through a skylight, thinking he'd seen the occupant leave. 
Anja was terrified and hid downstairs in the kitchen, trying to call me. My phone was still on silent mode and I didn't see the eleven (!) missed calls until I had arrived in Nijmegen, thirty miles away. I got her to leave the house and go to a neighbour while I called the police. 
By the time I had driven the 30 miles back (@ 100mph) the police had already been, sent an Alsatian dog up the stairs (which came back down all disappointed, not having found anyone to get its teeth into) and left again. 
Pretty quick response!
But no collar, and no followup info. 

On the other end of the scale is the experience I had with the French authorities and CRS after I was attacked by eleven "Clandestines" in Calais. Total indifference, even hostility towards me for "not speaking French". 

As far as UK policing goes, and my own experience there with, I'm a trucker - therefore ALL my dealings with BritPlod have been negative; Disinterest when I've required their assistance and petty nitpicking when they're looking to stick something on me. 

Finally;
My son was recently fined €45,- for skipping off his bike fully six feet (!!) inside a pedestrianized zone. Two highly paid uniformed officers standing there dishing out on the spot fines. What do you suppose that teaches him about "your friendly neighborhood copper"? When previously he's had his mobile phone or his bike stolen and they've "not had the resources to follow it up".  

Anecdotal, all this, obviously, and I am convinced that they'll be there for me if something really serious happens. It's just the day-to-day experience that sucks. 

6th Jul 2012, 07:35

crickson says:

Sorry to hear you were attacked Hildegard. Hope you are not too shaken up!

6th Jul 2012, 08:47

hildegard says:

Joker - I commend to you the phrase; "Desolé monsieur/ madame, je ne parle pas francais. Anglais ou neerlandais; si."

At one fell swoop you've apologised for not speaking their language, despite being in their country (the french cultural equivalent of rolling on your back & showing them your tummy), and wholly inoffensively made the point that you, at least, are not a mere lame monoglot. ;)

Crickson - no need for concern but thank you all the same. Shaken up is all I was.

6th Jul 2012, 12:49